CWMYSTWYTH MINE CAPTAINS
CWMYSTWYTH COMMUNITY IN 1881
EVAN AND ELIZABETH JONES, Pencnwch
CWMYSTWYTH MINERS IN 1910
CWMYSTWYTH GOING UNDERGROUND
EGLWYS NEWYDD TRAGEDY OF 1856
1851 RHEIDIOL - HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD CENSUS
THE BARSON and HARPER FAMILIES
THE EDWARDS FAMILY
CWMYSTWYTH MINES & HAFOD CHURCH PHOTOGRAPHS
Notelet card of Cwmystwyth reproduced with kind permission of Jayell.
Handmade cards - Photographic Memories - Cwmystwyth.
The Geographical Centre of Wales.
Created by Jayell 01974 282 626
One of a series of four cards, supplied with envelopes.
The Hafod Arch, pictured above on the bottom right, was erected in 1810 by Thomas Johnes, formerly the owner of the nearby Hafod Estate, to mark King George III's Golden Jubilee.
Dates of Service
List of Mine Captains
James Raw's grave at
Died April 1866
Captain James Raw of Ty Llwyd, c 1850.
1824 - 1864
1850 - 1879
1844 - 1848
1864 - 1870
1880 - 1892
1887 - 1892
1898 - 1913
1898 - 1935
1919 - 1922
1925 - 1926
1929 - 1939
George Fossett as Purser
William Michell (my great x 2 grandfather)
Joseph B. Rowse
H. H. Oaker as Purser
Wallace H. Paull
W. W. Varvill
John Howell Evans
I am very grateful to
Mr Simon S. J. Hughes
for permission to reproduce
items from his excellent book
The CWMYSTWYTH MINES
ISBN 1 873988 03 6 The Cwmystwyth Mines
Printed by Repro 2000
North Parade, Aberystwyth
CWMYSTWYTH COMMUNITY IN 1881
Margaret Oliver 50, widow, housekeeper.
Mary Oliver 24. lead ore dresser
Lewis Oliver 22, lead miner
Elizabeth Oliver 17, lead ore dresser
John Oliver 11 scholar
Elizabeth Jenkins 46, widow, housekeeper
Thomas Jenkins 16, lead miner
Sarah Jenkins 14, employed in lead mine
Elizabeth Jenkins 12, scholar
Thomas Allen 34, lead ore dresser
Sarah Allen 42, wife
Claudia Allen 9 months
Joseph Michell 43, lead mine agent
Sarah Michell 40, wife
Elizabeth Michell 17, milliner
William Michell 53, lead mine agent, visitor
Sarah Michell 14, Rebekah Michell 12, William E Michell 10,
Mary Selena Michell 8, Margaret M Michell 6, Joseph J Michell 4,
Emily Sophia Michell 2, Adeline Michell 3 months, children.
Next property listed is the Cwmystwyth Mine.
Cwmystwyth Mine. Photo courtesy of Rudi Winter.
Robert Hancock 69, mining engineer
Rachel Hancock 65, wife
Jane Williams 39, blacksmith's wife
Richard Williams16, Emilia Williams 11, Margaret Williams 9,
Emos Williams 8, Jane Williams 2, children.
John Evans 63, lead miner
Jane Evans 62, wife.
Edward Morgans 37, lead miner
Margaret Morgans 37, wife.
Sarah A Morgans 12, Elizabeth Morgans 9, Margaret Morgans 7,
William Morgans 5, Ellen Morgans 3, children.
Mary Howells 52, widow, housekeeper
Margaret Howells 25, lead ore dresser
Harriet Howells 15, lead ore dresser
David Evans 50, lead miner
Margaret Evans 47, wife
Margaret Evans 25, daughter
Edward Evans 11, Jane Evans 5.
Thomas Jones 52, widower, lead miner
Evan Jones 16, lead miner
Richard Jones 13 scholar
Betha James 57, widow, laundress
Moses James 30, lead miner
James E Raw 19, farmer
Ann Margaret Raw 17, sister, farmer's daughter
Eleanor Raw 14 scholar
Catherine Morgans 52, general servant
Elizabeth Lloyd 16, dairy maid
Mary E Davies 18, visitor, farmer's daughter
Richard Edwards 18 servant indoor
James Prosser 14 shepherd
Jane James 81 widow, living on relief
Rees Morgans 38, lead miner
Sarah Morgans 40, wife
William Morgans 16, lead miner
Mary Morgans 12, Sarah Morgans 9, Bonar Morgans 7, scholars
William Dunshan 70, lead miner
Jane Dunshan 58, wife
Sarah Herbert 65, widow, housekeeper.
Mary Prosser 56, housekeeper
Azariah Prosser 24, lead miner
Richard Prosser 22, lead miner
Margaret Prosser 17, miner's daughter
David Morgans 41, shepherd
Ann Morgans 14, shepherd's wife
Mary Ann Morgans 16 daughter
David Morgans 14 shepherd
William E 12, shepherd
Richard B Morgans 9, Thomas Morgans 5, Lewis Rhys Morgans 6 months, children.
Steve Jones writes; My great great grandparents David and Ann Morgans were shepherds for Waddingham at the Hafod. Amongst the children's names you will find William, Mary and Richard. By the summer of that year those three were dead in one week. I believe it was Scarlet fever but not sure.
The other boys survived my great grandfather being one, who ended up in the Neath valley as a colliery Osler and another Thomas Rhuddnant Morgan's was later successful in local eisteddfods winning chairs in 1914 and 1915. By all accounts he was a ladies man and two years ago a letter was found by a lady in Devils Bridge. He had sent it to her mother in law before world war one asking for a date. If you can read Welsh it is a very interesting letter.
Daniel Jenkins 59, widower, lead miner
Elizbeth Jenkins 21, housekeeper
Jane Jenkins 19, lead ore dresser
John Howells 46, carpenter
Ann Howells 45, wife
Thomas Howells 21, lead miner
Lewis Howells 19, lead miner
John Howells 14, lead miner
Sarah Howells 12, Richard Howells 9, Margaret J. Howells 6, children
David Edwards 57, lead miner
Richard Edwards 27, lead miner
Sarah Jenkins 38, widow, grocer
Sarah Howells 8, lodger, scholar
Evan Jones 43, lead miner
Elizabeth Jones 44, wife
Sarah Jones 22, lead ore dresser
Evan Jones 20, lead miner
Ann Jones 16, lead ore dresser
Margaret Jones 16, lead ore dresser
Jane Jones 14, lead ore dresser
Hannah Jones 12, Sophia Jones 9, Eleanor Jones 6, John Jones 3, scholars.
Thomas Hughes 34, lead miner
Sophia Hughes 29, wife
Mary Hughes 4, daughter
My name is Jane Watts and my grandmother Alice Hughes was born in 1889/1890 in Cwmystwyth. Having looked at the 1891 census her father was Thomas Hughes and he was a lead miner, as was her grandfather Thomas Williams. They lived at The Mill, Pencnwych, Llanfihangel Y Croyddyn Upper. Her mother was Sophia Hughes and in 1891 there were 4 daughters including my grandmother, Sophia Ellen, Margaret, Miriam and my grandmother Alice.
Having looked at your lovely website I see Thomas and Sophia are listed and a daughter Mary Hughes who is not mentioned in the 1891 census.
|1891 census; The Mill, John Hughes 44, lead miner, born Llanfihangel Y Creuddyn, Sophia Hughes 39 wife, born Llanafan, children, Sophia Ellen 9, Margaret A. 6, Miriam 3, Alice 1, all born Llanfihangel YC and also living with them was Thomas Williams 67, widower, father in law, a retired lead miner, born Llanafan |
I don't suppose you have any other information you could give me but I was just wondering if you had. Your website really is lovely and it was so good to see my relatives mentioned on it, so even if you haven't any info thank you for making my day with the info and pictures on your site.
|1901 census ; Felin (Mill) ; Sophia Hughes 49, widow, children, Alice 11, Joseph J. 8, Elizabeth 7. All recorded as born Llanfihangel. All spoke only Welsh. |
John Jones 42, widower, lead miner
Mary Jones 17, daughter
John Jones 15, lead miner
Elizabeth Jones 13, Joseph Jones 12, Thomas Jones 9, scholars
Ann Oliver 61, widow, housekeeper
Jane Oliver 18, lead ore dresser
Margaret Oliver 16, lead ore dresser
John Roberts 33, lead miner
Mary Roberts 28, wife
Elizabeth Roberts 5, John Roberts 2, children
Two uninhabitted houses at Pencnwch
Charles Burrell 47, draper and grocer
Mary Burrell 46, wife
Thomas Burrell 20, scholar
Elizabeth Burrell 16, draper's assistant
Lewis Burrell 14, Charles Burrell 12, Richard Burrell 9, Anna Mary Burrell 4, Frederick Davy Burrell 1, children
Anna Burrell 29, sister, dressmaker
Morgan Jones 45, agricultural labourer
Martha Jones 45, wife
Catherine Jones 18, daughter
John Jones 15, lead miner
Martha Jones 12, Elizabeth 12, daughters
David Morgan 26, farmer
Lizzie Morgan 19, wife
Morgan Jones 22, farm servant
Ann Jones 20, general servant
John Davies 32, lead miner
Averinah (?) Davies 74, mother, widow, living on relief
Jane Davies 45, sister, housekeeper
Harriet Howells 39, widow, quilt maker
John Howells 16, farm servant
Richard Howells 14, farm servant
Hannah Howells 12, Margarte 10, scholars
Richard Morgans 59, lead miner
Ann Morgans 53, wife
John Morgans 18, lead miner
David Morgans 13, farm servant
Sarah Roberts 13, scholar
Margaret Raw 24, visitor, housemaid
David Morgans 12, lodger scholar
Joseph Barclay 58, widower, lead miner
Sarah Barclay 21 housekeeper
Daniel Barclay 16, lead miner
William Williams 35, lead miner
Mary Williams 37, wife
Mary Ann Williams 6, Thomas Williams 5, Lizzie Williams 3, David Williams 2, children
Thomas Lloyd 28, lead miner
Sarah Lloyd 23, wife
Margaretta Lloyd 4, David Lloyd 11 months children
John Moses 27, widower, lead miner
Elizabeth Moses 3, daughter
Elizabeth Moses, stepmother 54, housekeeper
Ann Moses 18, sister, lead ore dresser
David Davies 35, lead miner
Mary Ann Davies 14, housekeeper
Margaret Davies 12, Elizabeth Davies 10, David Davies 8, Jane Davies 5, William F Davies 3, children
Catherine James 75 housekeeper
Margaret James 85, sister, housekeeper
Margaret Jane James 20, niece, lead ore dresser
John Davies 44, lead miner
Margaret Davies 40, wife
David Davies 17, lead miner
Charles Davies 14, John Davies 12, William Davies 10, Ann I Davies 8, Margaret Davies 5, Hannah Davies 1, children
Mary Jones 34, teacher's wife
John Thomas Jones 6, Rosina Mary Jones 4, Edith M Jones 1, children
Ann James 16, domestic servant
School house Cottage
Evan Morgans 43, lead miner
Elizabeth Morgans 44, wife
Elizabeth Morgans 6, William B. Morgans 4, children
Thomas Burrell 35, lead miner
Mary Burrell 32, wife
Richard Burrell 9, Thomas Burrell 7, William Burrell 5, Mary Ann Burrell 3, Margaret Burrell under 10 months, children
Abrahan Oliver 47, widower, grocer
Mary Oliver 81, mother, widow, retired grocer
Margaret I. Joseph 14, niece, Sarah M. Joseph 13, niece, Abraham Thomas Joseph 11, nephew
Mary Evans 35, housekeeper.
John Michell, 27 lead miner
Elizabeth A Michell 29, wife
Agnes E Michell 4, William Thomas Michell 2, James Mason Michell 7 months
Mary Williams 85, living on relief
James Ball 47 lead miner
Mary Ball 29,
Elizabeth Ball 9, Janet Ball 5, William Ball 3, John Ball 7 months
John Jones 60, horse dealer
Mary Owens 13, general servant
Jane Thomas 89, widow, living on relief
Margaret Morgans 13, servant
David Oliver 37, lead miner
Margaret Oliver 30
John R. Oliver 4, Mary Jane Oliver 3
Elizabeth Ball 38, widow, housekeeper
Thomas Ball 17, son, lead miner Margaret Ball 12, Ellen Ann Ball 9.
Jeremiah Owens 42 lead miner
Ann Owens 41
Lewis Owens 16 lead miner
Mary Ann Owens 15 lead ore dresser
Joseph Owens 11, Edward Owens 9, Thomas Owens 8, Owen Owens 5, Sophia Owens 4, Sarah Owens 3
Edward Owens 38, lead miner
Sarah Owens 37
William Owens 11, Hugh Owens 9, Edward Owens 7, Lewis Owens 5
Margaret James 46 widow, dress maker
Sarah Owens 15 lead ore dresser
Thomas Howells 34, lead miner
Elizabeth Howells 29
Thomas Howells 11, Margaret Howells 9, Mary Howells 5, Lewis Howells 2.
Lewis Roderick 66, tailor
Anne Roderick 66
David Williams 30, widower, lead miner
Mary Williams 61, mother, widow, housekeeper
Anne Williams 24, sister, employed at lead mine
David Williams 6, Ann Williams 4, John Williams 1
Daniel Jenkins 33, lead miner
Elizabeth Jenkins 30
Richard Jenkins 6, David Jenkins 4, Daniel Jenkins 1
Jane Davies 79. widow, mother in law, living on relief
John Williams 40, lead miner
Sarah Williams 31 sister, housekeeper
James Evans 58, lodger, blacksmith
David Williams 44, lead miner
Elenor Williams 52
Thomas Williams 22, employed at lead mine
Anne Williams 20, Rural letter carrier
John Thickins 51, lead miner
Elizabeth Thickins 50
Mary A. Thickins 18, employed in mine work
Thomas Thickins 11 David Thickins 9
Jane Thickins 49 housewife
Thomas Thickins 9
William Herbert 65, agricultural labourer
Anne Herbert 61
Anne Herbert 44, lead ore dresser
William Herbert 26, lead miner
David Herbert 22, lead miner
Joseph Morgans 43, lead miner
Mary Morgans 47
Mary Morgans,19 employed at lead mine
John Morgans 17, lead miner
Joseph Morgans 14 lead miner
William Morgans 11, Ann Morgans 7.
Rachel Thomas 67, widow
Lewis Thomas 29, lead miner
Catherine Thomas 26, housekeeper
Sarah Burrell 85, widow, living on relief
Averanah Burrell 51, dressmaker
Charles Burrell 40, lead miner
Jane Burrell 38
William Burrell 12, Thomas Burrell 10, Sarah Burrell 8, John Burrell 6, Mary Burrell 4, Llwewlyn Burrell 4, David Charles Burrell 1.
Richard Howells 49, lead miner
Margaret Howells 49
William Howells 23, lead miner
Joseph Howells 20,
lead minerMary Howells 16, employed at lead mine works
Elizabeth Howells 14, employed at lead mine works
Thomas Thomas27, lead miner
Isaac Thomas 30 brother, tailor
Ann Thomas 33, sister, lead dresser
Sarah Thomas 35, sister, housekeeper
Thomas Morgans 54, widower, lead miner
Margaret Morgans 21 housekeeper
David Morgans 19, lead miner
Thomas Morgans 16, lead miner
John Morgans 12
John Herbert 43, lead miner
Mary Herbert 41,
John Herbert 9
Elizabeth Davies 32, domestic servant
Thomas Edwards 28, lead miner
Anne Edwards 29
Richard Edwards 4
William Morgans 34, lead miner
Anne Morgans 26
Elizabeth M. Thomas, step daughter 3, Mary Ann Morgans 1
David James 60, lead miner
Susanah James 62
Thomas James 27, lead miner
Margaret James 21, lead ore dresser
William Howells 46, lead miner
Sophia Howells 45, housekeeper
John Howells 14, lead miner
William Howells 12, lead miner
Joseph Howells 9, David Howells 5, Sophia Howells 2.
Sarah Thickins 42, widow, housekeeper
Ellen Thickins 18, lead working miner
John Thickins 16, lead miner
Thomas Thickins 8.
John Thomas 41, lead miner
Mary Thomas 36
Sarah Thomas 13, Mary Thomas 10, Harriet Thomas 7, Elizabeth A. Thomas 5, Margaret I. Thomas 3, John Thomas 7 months
John Jenkins 41, widower, lead miner
Ann Jenkins 16, housekeeper
John Jenkins 14, lead miner
Thomas Jenkins 12, Mary Jenkins 10, Sarah Jenkins 3
Mary Howells, 75 widow, mother in law
John Edwards 34, lead miner
Jane Jones 51, domestic servant
John Edwards, 54 farmer
Richard Edwards 49, lead miner
Margaret Edwards 49
Sarah Edwards 23, general servant
John Edwards 22, lead miner
Ann Edwards 15, lead miner
William Edwards 5, Ionbwy Edwards 3, grandson
David Davies 29, lead miner
Sophia Davies 22
Elizabeth Davies 1
John Davies 35, brother, lead miner
William Davies 66, carrier
Mary Davies 63
Sarah Davies 30, lead ore dresser
Margaret Davies 22, lead ore dresser
William David Edwards 1, grandson
Averinah Davies 75, widower
David Davies 45, lead miner
Margaret Davies 39, housekeeper
Thomas Davies 37, joiner
Thomas Hughes 25, lead miner
Jane Hughes 24
John Hughes 3, Thomas Hughes 1
Mary Thomas 74, widow
Elizabeth Thoams 39, lead ore dresser
Thomas Edwards 28, lead miner
Margaret Edwards 25
Ann Moses 73, widow, housekeeper
Isaac Thomas 46, lead miner
Mary Thomas 48
Ann Thomas 17, Richard Thomas 11, William Thomas 8
Margaret Edwards 23, housekeeper
Richard Edwards 9 lodger & scholar
Thomas Evans 68, widower, lead miner
Evan Evans 26, lead miner
John Evans 31, lead miner
Margaret Evans 31
John Evans 5, Thomas Evans 9 months
David Davies 25, lead miner
Ellen Davies 28
Thomas Edwards 47, lead miner
Hannah Edwards 46
Sarah Edwards 18, employed at lead mine
John Edwards 16, lead miner
Thomas Edwards 14, lead miner
David Edwards 10, Edward Edwards 9, Hannah Edwards 7
Nant y Gorlan
Mary Morgans 63, widow, housekeeper
Ellen Edwards 11
Jane Edwards 15, lodger, employed at lead mine
David Davies 57, lead miner
Elizabeth Davies 61
Mary Ann Owens 14, domestic servant
Ann Jenkins 39 housekeeper
Moses Evans 65, shoemaker
Ann Evans 63
Daniel Evans 24, lead miner
Thomas Jones 41, lead miner
Sarah Jones 36
William Jones 13, lead miner
John Jones 11, Ann Jones 7, Mary Jones 4, Margaret Jones 2
Sarah Edwards 74, widow, Methodist Preacher's domestic attendant
This completes Llanfihangel y Creuddyn Upper District 5 for the 1881 census.
MORE CENSUS INFORMATION TO FOLLOW
Evan and Elizabeth Jones
Mr Ieuan Felix has been in touch with the following fascinating information. KD
I have read with interest the contents of the above history. Under the title Pencnwch, it lists some of the history of my family.
Evan Jones 43, lead miner
Elizabeth Jones 44, wife
Sarah Jones 22, lead ore dresser
Evan Jones 20, lead miner
Ann Jones 16, lead ore dresser
Margaret Jones 16, lead ore dresser
Jane Jones 14, lead ore dresser
Hannah Jones 12, Sophia Jones 9,
Eleanor Jones 6, John Jones 3, scholars.
My great grand father and great grand mother are given as Evan and Elizabeth Jones respectively and my grandmother is given as Ann, she died in 1893 and her daughter my mother was Annie Mary her married name was Thomas and was also born in Cwmystwyth.
Elizabeth my great grandmother died in 1917 in Penllwyn and was buried in Hafod Church.
I would like to know when my great grandfather died and I presume he was buried in Hafod Church.
He had an accident in the local lead mine and Dr Morgan of Ponrhyd y Groes amputated his leg using rum and brandy as 'anaesthetics' both his leg and his body were buried at Hafod.
I would like the date of his death and I wondered if you could help me?
My great grand mother was the sister of Rev. Joseph Jenkins and the Rev John Thickins was the son of her sister.
I vaguely remember both when they preached at Penllwyn Methodist Chapel.
This was probably in the late 1920's or early 1930's .
I have a very old Bible dated sometime in the 1750 which must have been used by both men it is rather worn and stained by peat smoke .
I have donated other Biblical books to the National library but have many more at home here.
THE STORY ELLEN JONES and her SAMPLERS.
Ellen's baptismal name was Eleanor, she was born in Pencnwch, Cwm Ystwyth Ceredigion on the 26th August 1875 and died in 1896 probably in Cwm Ystwyth.
She was the tenth child of the eleven children of my Great Grandfather Evan Jones and my Great Grandmother Elizabeth Jones. My grandmother Ann was her sister whose daughter was my mother Annie Mary. Ellen died young probably from tuberculoses.
I have no more details of her life but one assumes that she left school at eleven and may have joined her older sisters who worked in the local lead mine. My grandmother and her sisters are listed as 'lead ore dressers' in the 1881 censes. This work was to sort the lead containing ore from the spoil, the young women and children were also used to lead the ponies that hauled the trucks from the mine to the surface. The other employment open to her could have been in domestic service in the local farms, in the houses of the mine owners or mine captains or at Hafod Mansion, the term captain was derived from the Cornish custom of calling managers captains, there were Cornish men working in the Cardiganshire mines.
You will notice that the English alphabet is used in the Samplers.
The Welsh language was not taught in the schools and was not allowed to be used on the school premises despite the fact that Welsh was the language of the hearth and the community.
If a child was found speaking Welsh a tag with 'Welsh Not' was hung around his/her neck and they were physically punished at the end of the day.
This custom persisted until the end of the nineteenth century or to the beginning of the twentieth century although the 1885 Education Act cancelled the edict.
I am not sure whether my mother was subjected to this perfidy , she would have been ten years around 1900.
The government established a commission to study the state of education in Wales and the report was published in three volumes in 1847 and were known as the Blue Books blue was the colour of their covers. The conclusion was that the Welsh teaching was to be abolished hence the Welsh Not referred to. The books were and are known in Wales as 'Brad y Llyfrau Gleision','The Treason of the Blue Books this incident formed part of the Welsh Nationalist Movement in the twentieth century.
Ieuan Felix. Ellen's Great Nephew. 1st September 2014.
CWMYSTWYTH MINERS in 1910
Taken just below the compressor house.
Front row; Arthur Hughes, John Edwards, Richard 'Gwar Rhos', Joseph Howells, John Evans, Tom Williams, Ned Edwards, Joseph Morgan, John Roberts.
Second row; John Evans, Tom James, Will Edwards, Tom Evans, Dai Williams, John Edwards, Dai Morgan, Joe Appleton, Dai Nurrell, Lewis Thomas
Third row; Dick Davies, Dick Thomas, Llew Burrell, Arthur Morgan, Tom James, Thomas Thomas, Ifan 'Gwar Rhos', Thomas Howells, Jack Morgan, Jack Jenkins, Will Thickens, 'Shammi; Morgan, Jack Thomas, Daniel Jenkins, Thomas Morgan, Evan Evans.
Back row; Willi Morgan, David Evans, Richard Evans.
|Dressing Mill 1912
|Crushing Mill 1912
Dressing Mill 1979
Take trip of a lifetime into
Cwmystwyth Going Underground
I was delighted to receive the following message from
Kes Jones. KD
Apologies if the above link is something you have seen already but I wondered if it might be of interest.
It is the first of a series of four clips exploring the underground workings at Cwmystwyth found after a recommendation on an underground exploration website.
Many thanks for your wonderful site - my former father-in-law Howell Morgan was the great grandson of one of the miners depicted in the photo in front of the compressor house and I am really glad I had a chance to show him your research before he died in 2009.
Howell's reaction to seeing your site was one of amazement - he was of a generation that found the internet itself a true wonder but showing him the sheer extent of what was possible to find was lovely.
He remembered playing in the Hafod mansion grounds as a small boy - sneaking in over the wall to watch the rabbits. He also remembers the lamp house still containing all the miners lamps up until fairly recently.
With all the very best,
Published on You Tube - 10 Apr 2012 by MetalLinksProject
A Welsh audio video of the inside of Cwmystwyth mine made in the 1990s. Reproduced on You Tube with the kind permission of Alun Jenkins from his video Llwybr Tadgu.
THE EGLWYS NEWYDD TRAGEDY OF
Mr Trevor Edwards writes;
While researching my Cwmystwyth ancestry, where the descendants of my great-great-grandparents, David and Sarah Edwards (nee Herbert) had lived in Tynyffordd from 1813 and for more than 100 years. I was saddened upon discovering in the Cardiganshire Family History Society's Index to Burials and Eglwys Newydd 1838 - 1865, that four young nieces and nephews of my great grandparents Richard and Margaret Edwards (nee Howells), also of Tynyffordd, had died at Caermeirch farm in May and June of 1856.
Many other children had also died in 1856. I discovered that many of these poor children died of a Scarlet Fever epidemic in and around the upper Ystwyth valley and which peaked between May and June 1856. Such a tragic loss of young lives representing 10% of the child population in the area on both sides of the River Ystwyth between Hafod Uchtryd and Penybryn and the awful grief and fear which must have prevailed over the community at that time, must surely have been a matter of public record. However, although I have searched many internet sites which cover the history of Eglwys Newydd, and other local sources, I have been unable to find any reference to the tragedy which unfolded there.
Details of the tragic deaths which I compiled appear below.
Louisa Jane Barson
Mary Jane Barson
Mary Ann James
Pant y Mawn
Pant y Mawn
Cwmystwyth (School House)
Cwmystwyth (School House)
Lodge, near Church
Tainewyddion y Mynydd
Tainewyddion y Mynydd
Tainewyddion y Mynydd
If anyone can help Trevor with any information relating to the tragedy, please contact this website via the e-mail link.
Grateful thanks to Reg Budd of Cambrian Energetics for putting Trevor in touch with me. KD
|9th MAY 1856 ELIZABETH OWENS Ochr Glog|
1851 census; James James, 53, miner in lead mine, Mona 55, wife, Margaret 22, daughter, mine dresser, Hannah (?) 13, mine dresser, Elizabeth Owens 2 granddaughter, carrier's daughter
|14th MAY 1856 MARY EDWARDS, Cae'r Meirch|
|28th MAY 1856 THOMAS EDWARDS, Cae'r Meirch|
|1851 census; David Edwards, 37, farmer, Ann 36, wife, Thomas 4, Mary 2, John 5 months. All were born in Llanfihangel.|
|20th JUNE 1856 DAVID JAMES Ty Newydd|
|1851 census; David James 50, mine in lead mine, Susanna 52, wife, Elizabeth 4, David 2. All born in Llanfihangel|
|8th JULY 1856 ANNE WILLIAMS, Penpark|
|11th JULY 1856 RICHARD WILLIAMS, Penpark |
|1851 census; Mary Williams 41, widow, Mary 17, dresser in lead mine, Elizabeth 15, dresser, Jane 12 dresser, Anne 9, Thomas 6, Richard 4. All born Llanfihangel and Gwnnws|
|1st SEPTEMBER 1856 WILLIAM THOMAS, Ty Newydd|
|1851 census; Richard Thomas 46, miner, Mary 43, wife, Thomas 13, Anne, 10, Elizabeth 8, Mary 6, William 2, Lewis 6 months. All born Llanfihangel|
|11th OCTOBER 1856 THOMAS EVANS, Abernantcwtta|
|1851 census; Thomas Evans 37, labourer in lead mine, Sophia 41 wife, Thomas 4, Anne 2, John 1. All born Llanfihangel|
1851 CENSUS Rheidiol
showing Head of Household only
Talwrn; David Davies 27, miner, born Llanfihangel
Talwrn; John Burrell, 46, miner, born Llanfihangel
Talwyrn; John Jenkins 41, miner, born Llanfihangel
Cnwcybarcud; Susanna Davis 74, widow, born Llanfihangel
Cnwcybarcud; John Davies, 42, miner, born Llanfihangel
Abernantcwta; Thomas Burrell, 27, miner, born Llanfihangel
Abernantcwta; Thomas Evans 37, labourer in mine, born Llanbadarn Fawr
Llethr Brith; John Richards, 32, blacksmith, born Llanfihangel
Nantcwta; Mary Davies 58, House holder, born Llanfihangel
Nantcwta; David Davies 46, labourer in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Pantyrodyn; David Davies 47, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Tyn y Ffordd; David Edwards 60, at home, retired miner, born Llanfihangel
Tanlon fawr; Isaac Thomas, 68, at home, retired miner,born Prestgynwg Upper
Tanlon fawr; Thomas Thomas 59, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Pengraig Fach; William Howells, 56 at home, retired miner, born Llanfihangel
Pengraig Fach; William Burrel 51, miner, born Llanfihangel
Ty Newydd; David James 50, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Ty Newydd; Richard Thomas, 46, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Ty Newydd, Penmynydd; Mary Moses widow, 65 householder, b Pengwnws
Ty Newydd, John Moses, 32, miner in lead mine, born Pengwnws
Ty Newydd; Thomas Morgans 52, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Ty Newydd Mynydd, Anne James, 67 widow, annuitant, born Pengwnws
Ty Newydd; John Morgans, 37, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Lluestedwyd; Mary Howells 46, widow, farmer 4 acres, born Llanfihangel
Lluestedwyd; Thomas Edwards 58, carrier, born Llanfihangel
Gwndungwyn; Thomas Thomas, 44, clerk, born Gwnws
Gwndungwyn; William Morgans, 48 miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Tyn Llechwedd; Ebeneser Herbert, 31, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Tyn Llechwedd; William Herbert, 35, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Penbank; John Williams, 40, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Ochr Glog; James James, 53, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Ochr Glog; Anne Barkley, 66, widow, annuitant, born Gwnnws Upper
Ochr Glog; William Evans, 34 carpenter, born Llanfihangel
Tyn y Glog; Mary Oliver, 50, widow, shopkeeper, born Llanarth
Tyn y Glog; Thomas Morgans, 46, butcher, born Llanfihangel
Tyn y Glog; Lewis Owen 57, miner in lead mine, born Melindwr
Ty Cwta; John Howells 52, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Pen Ffynnon; Richard Edwards, 55, miner in lead mine, born Gwnws
Pen Ffynnon; Jane Evans, 71, making stockings, born Gwnws
Pen Fynnon; Daniel Jenkins 27, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Capel; Amme Burell, 39, knitting stockings, born Llanfihangel
Hen Gapel; Richard Edrwards, 65 clog maker ,born Llanfihangel
Pen Ffynnon; David Williams 29, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Pen Ffynnon; Anne Evans 67, annuitant, born Llanfihangel
Pen Ffynnon; Jane Jenkins, 66 widow, annuitant, born Llanfihangel
Pen Ffynnon; Jane Morgans, 88 widow, annuitant, born Llanfihangel
Pen Ffynnon; David Davies 41, weaver, born Nantmel
Pentre; Anne Williams 44, mine dresser, born Llanfihangel
Pentre; William Williams 29, mine Agent, born Redruth
Pentre Brunant; Thomas Thomas 40, farmer, born Ysbyty Ystwyth
Pentre Brunant; Edward Howells 44, lead miner, born Lanfihangel Upper
Pencnwct; Elizabeth Burell 56, shopkeeper, born Llanfihangel Upper
Pencnwct; Richard Oliver 25, lead miner, born Gwmws
Pencnwct; Joseph Hughes 45, miner, born Cardigan
Pencnwct; Thomas Jenkins, 46 miner, born Llanfihangel
Pencnwct; Mary James widow 47, annuitant, born Llanfihangel
Pencnwct; John Williams 55, annuitant, born Cardigan
Pencnwct; Elizabeth James, 53, housekeeper, born Cardigan
Pentre Mill; John Jones, 30, Mill keeper, born Trefeglwys
Pencaecarriers; Richard Edwards 46, carpenter, born Llanfihangel
Penpark; Mary Williams 41, widow, annuitant, born Llanfihangel
Penpark; Lewis Griffiths 57, miner in lead mine, born Gwmws
Penpark; William Michael (Michell?) 45 mine agent, born Mary Tavy
Cwrt; Enoch Morgans, 41, carpenter, born Llanfihangel
Cwrt; David Evans, 47, miner, born Gwnws
Cwrt; William Ball, 33 miner in lead miner, born Mary Tavy
Tyndole; David Morgans, 50 mine subrat, born Llangurig
Steve Jones writes; My GGG Grandfather David Morgans lived in Tynddol. They came there from Hirnant on top of the Elan Valley after losing their sheep in a severe winter during the 1840's. He became a lead miner.
1851 Tyndole; David Morgans, 50, widower, mine subrat, born Llangurig, Montomeryshire, children; Sarah 15, Mary 13, David 11, Rees 9, Edward 7, Elizabeth 6, all born Cwmdauddwr.
1861 Ty'n Ddol; David Morgans, 63, widower, labourer miner, born Llangurig, Rees 19, lead miner, Edward 17, lead miner, Elizabeth 16, house servant, all born Cwmdauddwr
By the next census, David's daughter Margaret had married Edward Morgan, who was now head of the household.
1871 Ty'n Ddol; Edward Morgan 27, lead miner, born Radnorshire, Margaret 27 wife, Mary 5, Sarah Anne 2, Elizabeth 3 weeks, all born Llanfihangel, David Morgans 74, father in law, old lead miner, born Llangurig
Tyndole; John Evans 32, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Abernant; Joseph James, 25, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Abernant; John Morgans 32, miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Bonor (?) Morgans 48 miner in lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Pengeulan; Sarah Morgans 63, widow annuitant born Llanfihangel
Pengeulan; Mary James 54, annuitant, born Llanfihangel
Ty Llwyd; James Raw, 50, mine agent and farmer, born Yorkshire
Mine Captain James Raw,
James Raw's grave at
Died April 1866
Ty Llwyd; James Raw 50, Mine Agent and farmer, born Yorkshire, Ellinor 45, wife , children; Margaret, 18, both born Llanbadarn Fawr, Sarah 15, James 13, Ellinor 11, Mary Anne 7, Harriet 6, visitor Mary Griffiths 65, widow, described as a lady, all born in Llanfihangel, Meredith Davies, 21 , born Llangurig, Thomas Boner 18, born Llanfihangel, both farm servants, Jane Williams 26, born Llanidloes, Anne Hughes 23, born Gwnws, both house servants
Steve Jones writes;
My family worked for the Raw family at Ty Llwyd
Esgairwen; Moses James, 48 miner in lead mine, born Gwnws
Esgairwen; John Jonathan 39, sipand (?) born Gwnws
Troed y Rhiw; William Dunstone, 40 lead miner, born Gwennap Cornwall
Troed y Rhiw; John Herbert 40, mine dresser, born Llanfihangel
Troed y Rhiw; Richard Prosser, 67, farmer 4 acres, born Llanfihangel
Nant Rhees; David Morgans, 57 shepherd, born Llanfihangel
1851 EGLWYS NEWYDD & HAFOD
Hafod Arms; Thomas Ray 51, Inn Keeper, born Warrington
Cottage; David Doughton 36, hostler, born Aberystwyth
Blaenmerin; Richard Jones 38, shepherd, born Llanbadarn
Dolwen; Morgan Davies, 58, shepherd, born Llanbadarn
Ty Gwyn; Thomas Howells, 53, farmer, born Llanfihangel
Efal Fach; David Jones, 28 miner, born Llanfihangel
Botgoll; Margaret Jones 63, widow, farmer, born Llanbadarn
Ty Newydd; Richard Jones, 37, miner, born Llanfihangel
Prignant; Mary Jones, 57, on Parish relief, formerly shepherd, born Llanfihangel
Prignant; James Powell 39, miner, born Llanbadarn
Upper Prignant; Mary Howells 62, widow, farmer, born Llanbadarn
Penbwlch Botgale (?) Richard Brobart 68, labourer born Oswestry
Hen Ffordd; Lewis Evans, 46 labourer, born Llanbadarn
New Farm; John Howells, 39, farmer, born Llanbadarn
New Farm; Thomas Thickins, 32 miner, born Gwnws
Chetham; William Williams, 35, miner, born Llanfihangel
Chetham; Thomas Williams 38, agricultural labourer, born Llangurig
Ysgubor Fawr; Elinor Thickins, 54, widow, no occupation, born Llanfihangel
Ysgubor Fawr; Richard Howells, 39, miner born Llanidloes
Ty'n Rhos; Thomas Oliver 34, miner born Llanfihangel
Chetham; John Howells 26, miner born Gwmws
Ty'n Rhos; Avrhina Oliver, 61, widow, no occupation, born Llanfihangel
Ty'n Llidiart; William Jones, 56 miner born Llanfihangel
Ty'n Rhyd; John Morgans 40, cooper, born Llanfihangel
Rhos Llidiart; Moses Evans 25, shoemaker, born Llanfihangel
Ty'n y Bryn; Thomas Morgans, 40 farmer, born Llanfihangel
Gwenallt; John Thomas 40, farmer, born Llanfihangel
Gwenallt; James Edwards, 70 on Parish relief, born Llanfihangel
Hafod School; WilliamLloyd, 29, schoolmaster, born Merionethshire
Ty'n y Fron; Thomas Edwards 36, miner at lead mine, born Llanfihangel
Ty'n Clytiau; Lewis Oliver 31, miner & holding farm, 40 acres, born Llanfihangel
Pwll Piran; Richard John Flowerdew, 28, land agent, born Wortham
Nanterafnach (?); John Parson 50, labourer, born Nottingham
Nantyrafnach; Evan Lloyd 75, stonemason, born Llanfihangel
Crigrige (?); Elisha Bonner; 48, builder, born Exeter
Hafod Garden; William Lewis 29, gardener, born Yspyty
Hafod House; Thomas Lloyd, 38, game keeper, born Aberystwyth
Tanith Leol (?); Thomas Evans, 49, joiner, born Llanbadarn
Glanyswyth; Hugh Bonner, 50, labourer, born Llanfihangel
Pontrhydygroes; John Edwards 29, shopkeeper, born Llanfihangel
Pontrhydygroes; Edward Evans, 46, Perpetual curate of Llanddewi Brefi born Llanfihangel
Pontrhydygroes Mill; Sarah Morgans, 55, widow, miller, born Llanfihangel
Gwainrhos; David Morgan, 35, miner, born Yspyty
Ty'n Rhos; David Evans 44, farmer, born Llanafan
Rhos Rhyw; David Jones 43, farmer born Caron
Pantcraf; Asariah Searle, 44, stone mason, born Beer, Devon
Dolgors; Enoch Williams 70, farmer, born Llanbadarn
Ty'n Llidiart; James Davies 24, miner, born Llanfihangel
Cwmglas Mill; Thomas Morgans, 30, miller, born Llanfihangel
Ty'n Rhos; Ann Pryse; 46, widow, no occupation, born Ysbyty
Wern Drew; David Davies, 38, miner, born Llanfihangel
Nant Arthur; Vaughan Ferant, 48, farmer, born Llanfihangel
Rhos Fawr; John Evans, 43, Relief of the Parish, born Llanbadarn Fawr
Penpontpren; Bonner Bonner, 47, miner, born Llanfihangel
Ty'n Fawnog; John Jones, 34, miner, born Llanfihangel
Glangell; John Hughes, 58, woodman, born Llanfihangel
Llyn y Ffordd; Manuel Burbec, 23, miner, born Cwmdauddwr
Minyffordd; Thomas Lewis, 47, carpenter, born Llanfihangel
Rhoscoch; John James 50, miner, born Llanilar
Dole; Isaac Morgans 42, carpenter, born Llanfihangel
Tan y Chwarel; Henry Jones 76, smith, born Llanfihangel
Glanygorslwyd; Thomas Davies; 47, agricultural labourer, born Llanfihangel
Photo courtesy of Jayell
THOMAS JOHNES 1748 - 1816
THOMAS JOHNES (1748 - 1816) was MP for Cardigan Boroughs 1774 - 1780, then for Radnor until 1796 and then for the County of Cardigan until he died. He was a landowner and an avid collector of books and manuscripts, and set up a private press, the Hafod Press, in 1802.
He wrote to his friend George Cumberland in 1794.
July 28, 1794.
I inform you that within these few days an apparently valuable mineral spring has been discovered close by the Devil's Bridge. It seems to be very strong Chalebeat; as you may wish to taste some of it, I have ordered a small bottle of it to be sent by the Coach directed for you care of Mr Edwards in Pall Mall, and I shall write to him this post to desire he would forward it to you. If further Tunbridges or Cheltenhams should arise there, I trust that the beauties of Nature are of features too grand for any ornaments of Arts to have other effects than to make the old Lady appear more beautiful...
Letter to James Edwards in London.
March 13, 1796, Hafod.
I wished for you here during the dry and sharp weather to enjoy one of the grandest sights I ever witnessed. I took the opportunity of the great dryness to set fire to some mountains covered with Furze. The wind was very high and the acres of flame as they rapidly ascended must have been something like the grand eruption of Lava, for it ran up in streams of fire and flame. The wind dissipated the smoke and when you went to the Top of the Hill to the windwardside, you appeared as above the clouds, which every now and then a sudden gust divided to give you a glimpse of Paradise below.
Letter to Arthur Young, Secretary of the first Board of Agriculture.He explains why the Cardiganshire Agricultural Society had failed to send their annual accounts, following the death of their secretary.
April 17th 1799, Hafod.
This has been a very hard Winter upon the Mountain Farmers. The losses among the sheep and lambs are very great indeed. I know not when to expect an end of it, for it snows and hails as fast as if it was the middle of December instead of April.
1807 - FIRE AT HAFOD
Thomas Johnes' home, Hafod, suffered a fire which badly damaged many of his books and manuscripts. When stayning at a castle near Aberystwyth, he wrote to Edward Williams, known as Iolo Morgannwg about the incident.
November 13 1807
You will have seen in the papers my accident at Hafod, and the irreparable loss I have in many things sustained. I am, I hope, duly thankful that it was not worse, and that no lives were lost nor anyone at least hurt.
I am now busy rebuilding it and I should be very much obliged to you if you would confirm by an early post directed as above whether there be any blocks of marble fit for columns or for paving staircases in your country and the prices they would come to per foot in working and polishing them..... I have not the plans before me and I cannot send you the exact dimensions...
All the books in the gallery and anti Library have been destroyed but the most part of the four bookcases in the large library have been saved - very luckily a fine library that I purchased at Venice was in London when the fire happened and this escaped.
My Mss are gone and I shall not again attempt to collect more - but in regard to printed books I shall be richer than ever - for independent of what has been saved and this Venetian Library, I have purchased a fine collection of topography and early printed works I have now some of Caxton's printing, and all in good condition.
JOHN RUSKIN 1876
Ruskin, who was a critic and explainer of art, architecture and literature wrote about his visit to Wales.
My first sight of bolder scenery was in Wales; and I have written, - more than it would be wise to print - about the drive from Hereford to Rhaiadr, under Plynlimmon to Pont-y-Monach; the joy of a walk with my father in the Sunday afternoon towards Hafod, dashed only with some alarmed sense of the sin of being so happy among the hills, instead of writing out a sermon at home; - my father's presence and countenance not wholly comforting me, for we both of us had alike a subdued consciousness of being profane and rebellious characters, compared to my mother.
From Pont-y-Mynach we went north, gathering pebbles on the beach at Aberystwyth, and getting up Cader Idris with help of ponies; - it remained, and rightly, for many a year after, a king of mountains to me. Followed Harlech and its sands, Festiniog, the pass of Aberglaslyn, and marvel of Menai Straits and Bridge.
Thomas J Waddingham M.A., aged 41 was head of household, farming 2627 acres, and employing 8 men, 4 women and 8 boys. He was unmarried and was born in Leeds, Yorkshire.
Ann Coldreck 50, cook and housekeeper.
Margaret Lloyd 24, laundress and housemaid.
Jane Davies 39, kitchen maid.
Steve Jones writes; My great great grandparents David and Ann Morgans were shepherds for Waddington at the Hafod. Amongst the children's names you will find William, Mary and Richard. By the summer of that year those three were dead in one week. I believe it was Scarlet fever but not sure.
Elizabeth Lloyd 49, housekeepr
William Lloyd 22, farm servant
John R Lloyd 19, lead miner
Mary A Lloyd 16, domestic servant
John Lloyd 70, uncle, stone mason
Thomas Lloyd 14, Evan Lloyd 8, William Lloyd 4 (grandson)
Thomas James Waddingham 51, Magistrate living on his own means
Sarah Waddingham 58, wife
Elizabeth Davies 58, mother in law, widow, living on her own means
Rev J.C. Owen, 32, visitor, Clerk in Holy Orders
T. J. Wetherall 28, visitor, architect
Oswald Church 30 Domestic Servant, Butler
Hannah Church 35, domestic servant, cook
Laura Isabella Simpson 27, lady's maid
George Oliver Bremner 18, footman
Mary Ann Davies 23, housemaid
Sarah Neale 20, kitchenmaid
Mary Anne Thomas 24, intermediate
Mary Anne Hunt 40, widow laundress
Sarah Jones 17, maid
HAFOD UPPER LODGE
John Hughes 22, coachman groom
Margaret Hughes wife 34
Elizabeth Hughes 1, daughter
John Howells, 48 widower, coachman domestic
Emily Griffiths, 21 Laundrymaid, domestic
Elizabeth J. Evans, 26 housemaid domestic
Alice Stratford, 30 housemaid domestic
John Hughes, 43, gamekeeper on Estate
Margaret Hughes 44, wife
Elizabeth A. Hughes, 11, William T. Hughes 9, children
Photo copyright of Andrew Longton.
Above left - Hafod Ruins 2000 Above right - Hafod Parkland
Photos copyright of Nigel Brown
I would love to hear from anyone with any history about Hafod or relatives of those who have lived there in the past.
Please contact me on email@example.com
BARSON and HARPER
I am very grateful to John Harper who contacted me from New Zealand, with details of his family, who had associations with Hafod, in the 1800s. My thanks also go to Judith Bremner for supplying the photographs.
I have just discovered your very interesting and comprehensive website and thought you might be interested to hear of two English families who lived at Hafod in the 19th century.
John Barson (1799-1865) and his wife Ann Sargison (c1811-1888) were both born and married in Nottinghamshire. John worked at Clumber Park, the estate of the Duke of Newcastle who also owned the Hafod estate.
The Barsons moved to Hafod around 1837 and lived initially in a cottage called Pantycraf.
The 1841 census shows the family living at the above home. John was 35, an agricultural labourer, wife Ann was 30, Sarah 12, William 10, Thomas 6 and John 2. An important point with the 1841 census was that adults ages were rounded to the nearest 5.
|Sarah Barson's sampler, made when she was 12 years old,
when living at Pantycraf, in 1841
John & Ann Barson had eleven children. Sarah (1828-1894), William (1830-1882), John (1832-183?), and Thomas (1835-1883) were all born at Walesby, Nottinghamshire. It must have been in 1836 or 1837 that the Barsons moved to Hafod. Another son John was born and died there in 1838 followed by yet another John (1839-1884), James (1843-1901), George (1845-1846), Mary Ann (1847-1856), Louisa Jane (1850-1856), and George (1855-1932).
The family moved from Pantycraf to Nantcrafanbach in 1846.
In 1856 they went to live at Pantymawn where John died. In the 1855 sale catalogue John Barson is named as the tenant of 4 acres 3 roods 5 perches of land described as 'Nantygrafanlach Cottage and land' the annual rental being 6 pounds. They moved to Pantymawn in the summer of 1856. Their son James later purchased Pantymawn from the then owner, whose name was Chambers.
John Barson was 50 at the time of the 1851 census, living at Nantcrafanbach, and worked as a labourer, born in East Leake His wife Ann was 41. Living at home with the couple were daughter Sarah, 22, a dressmaker and her siblings, William 20, Thomas 15, all born Walesby. Son John was 12, Mary Ann 3, James 8, and Jane 4 months old. These four children were born in the parish of Llanfihangel Y Creuddyn, Cardiganshire.
Visiting the family at the time was shepherd James Harper, 17, born in Rainham, Norfolk
In 1861, John was recorded as aged 61, and a garden labourer. Ann was 51, James 17 was a miner, Mary Ann 14, and George 5. The couple are erroneously shown as having been born in Salop (Shropshire).
More than one of their sons worked in the mines. Their eldest daughter Sarah married at Hafod Church in 1851, James Harper (1831-1907), a young shepherd born in Norfolk. How he came by a shepherding job at Hafod is a mystery to us.
Photo courtesy of Barbara Duffy and John Harper
Taken in Queensland,
Standing at the back, L-R
Anne Jane Barson, John David Barson, William James Barson, John Williams, Thomas Morgans Barson, Margaret Barson
Seated at the front L-R
Edie Williams, Mary Barson, Mary Williams (formerly Barson, nee Morgans), Elizabeth Barson, Aggie Williams
I have the marriage certificate of James Harper and Sarah Barson written by the Reverend Lloyd on the 23 June 1856 - the day they left Hafod for a new life on the far side of the world. Witness to the marriage were John Barson and Thomas Lloyd, who was a gamekeeper at Hafod.
James and Sarah lived at Dologau where their first two children Sarah and John were born.
They left Hafod in 1856 and settled in New Zealand. Years later they would slip Welsh words into their conversation and would converse in Welsh when they didn't want their children to know what they were saying.
James and Sarah Harper
Sarah Harper, nee Barson
1828 - 1894
All the surviving sons except George married local women. Willliam married Mary Griffiths in 1852 at Tregaron, Thomas married Margaret Hughes of Tynllwyn at Hafod Church in 1859; James married Elizabeth Morgans of Waungaccen at Hafod Church in 1863 and John married Mary Morgans of Waungaccen (presumably a sister of Elizabeth) at Hafod Church in 1865.
Widow Ann 61, was still at Pant y Mawn in 1871. Living with her was her lead mining son, George, now 17.
Also recorded as living as a seperate household at Pant y Mawn was Ann's son, 32 year old John Barson, a lead miner, his wife Mary 24 and their children Margaret 4 and Grace Jane 2. All were born in Llanfihangel.
Another son James 28, lead miner, lived at Pant y Mawn Bach, with his wife Elizabeth 30 and children Jane 7, John 6, David 4 and William 2, all Llanfihangel born.
Interestingly, the next property entered on the census is Hafod itself.
Some of the Barsons were still in the area until the early 1880s.
Some years after she was widowed, Ann Barson went to live with her youngest son George and his family at Aston in Yorkshire, not far from her old home at Walesby just across the county border
Mary Ann Barson returned to live and work at Walesby, Notts., where she married Edward Burgin in 1868. By 1875 The Burgins were living at Aston, Yorkshire, which was where George Barson was married and settled in 1876, and where his mother was living with them in 1881.
I've narrowed down the dates when the family must have departed from the area. John (the younger) and Mary and their children went to live at Pentre, South Wales about 1874. James and his family left Pantymawn for Pontypridd in 1879 which was probably when Ann and George went back to England. Thomas and his family remained somewhat closer. He became a farm bailiff at Brynymor, Llanbadarn Fawr and one or more of his descendants were in the Aberystwith area well into the twentieth century.
After the death of John Barson (1839-1884) in Glamorganshire, to where he and his wife and children had moved from Hafod, his widow Mary married John Williams and they settled at Gympie, Queensland, Australia in 1886 with all of Mary's children going with them, as well as John Williams' two daughters.
George and family lived at Aston Terrace in 1881. He is recorded as being born in Wales and that he was a British subject. George was a coal miner, aged 25, married to Mary Ann, 22, born Clay Cross, Derbyshire. They had a son John aged 4, born Swallownest, Yorkshire and daughter Sarah Ann 1, born Aston. George's mother Ann, living with the family, was 76.
Son James, then 38 and his family had moved to Ysbyty Ystwyth, where they lived at Blaen Marchnant, where he was a lead miner. Elizabeth was 41, daughter Jane 17, sons John 16, an ore dresser, David 14, William 11, daughters Sarah A. 8, Mary 6 and Elizabeth 3, all Llanfihangel born.
Son John had moved to Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, where he lived at 21 Regent Street. He was a 41 year old coal miner, and his wife Mary was 42. Their family consisted of Margaret 14, Anne 12, Mary 8, all recorded as born in Aberystwyth, but probablt Llanfihangel, Elizabeth 5 and John David 3, both born in Ystradyfodwg.
Also living with them were nephews Lewis Lewis 21, Hugh Lewis 19, cousin Thomas Morgan 19 and a boarder, John Morgan, 31, all coal miners, born in Aberystwyth according to the census
Ann Barson died in Nottinghamshire in 1888.
In 1891, George 35, a coal miner, and his family lived at No 8, but no street name was given, Aston. This was probably 8 Aston Terrace, their home in 1901. Mary Ann was 32, their son John 14, was a colliery pony driver. Sarah Ann was 11, James 8, Eliza 3 and Elizabeth 10 months old, all born Aston.
James 49 was living at 38 Tan y Bedw Street, Rhondda, collier, wife Elizabeth was 50, John 26, David 24, both colliers, Sarah Ann 17. Mary 15, Elizabeth 13. Thomas Morgans 19, a collier born Llanfihangel y Creuddyn was lodging with the family.
William Barson, 23 lived next door at number 37 Tan y Bedw Street. He had married a local girl born in Ystradyfodwg, Prisila aged 18. They had a 3 month old son James. Richard Ellis, 22 a collier born in Llanbadarn Fawr, boarded with the family .
George 45, and family were living at 8 Aston Terrace in 1901. He is recorded as a coal hewer, Mary was 42, Sarah 21, James 18, a colliery fireman below ground, Elizabeth 10, (Eliza not recorded at home), Edith 4, born Aston, Thomas 1 and granddaughter Mary 1, both born in Sheffield.
James Barson, a coal hewer, was living in 41 Tan y Bedw Street, Rhondda, Ystradyfodwg, with his wife Elizabeth in 1901. Both were 60.
The family of Sarah's brother John, settled in Australia. I think one or more of the other brothers moved to South Wales while George, the youngest brother settled in Yorkshire.
I visited Hafod some years ago and found all the places where the Barsons and James Harper had lived. It is a beautiful, lost world in the hills there - an Arcadian landscape as remote now as it must have seemed to the English incomers all those years ago. I can quite believe that Coleridge remembered the place when writing Kubla Kahn. I know that the family had to learn Welsh as I expect only the rector and schoolmaster and the family at Hafod House spoke English.
They must have been very lonely until they could talk to the local people.
THE EDWARDS FAMILY
I was thrilled to receive correspondence from Tim Edwards, a photographer in London (KD). He wrote;
I came across your site on the internet. I am also a descendant of
the Michells of Cwmystwyth, as described here;
William Michell and Sarah Michell (nee Bands) had a daughter, Annie.
Annie Michell married Michael Edwards, who was a schoolmaster in Cwmystwyth
Michael and Annie Edwards had a son, Thomas, who lived in Pwll near Llanelli. He was also a schoolmaster,
Thomas had a son, Lesley, moved to Norwich, Norfolk, also a
schoolmaster. He married Mary Edwards,
Lesley and Mary had a son, Timothy, lives in London, photographer,
I'm Timothy James Edwards.
I am very grateful to Mrs Mary Edwards and her son Tim for supplying information relating to their family. KD.
Annie was a sister to my great grandmother, Elizabeth Michell. (KD)
Click here to read about the Michell family in Cwmystwyth
photographic and film hire studios
Tim Edwards runs this business.
Click here to access his website
Family details from the censuses are as follows;
We start with Tim's great, great, great grandparents, James and Sarah Edwards.;
1841 census ; Nantywyre, Upper Llanfihangel.
James Edwards, 61 shopkeeper, Sarah Edwards 53, wife, children, Sarah Edwards 20, Thomas Edwards 16, Ann Edwards 12, all born Cardiganshire
By 1851, James and his wife had hit on hard times.
1851 census ; Gwenallt, Upper Llanfihangel.
James Edwards, 70, Sarah Edwards 64, wife, were both in receipt of Parish relief, daughter Sarah Edwards 22, was a mine washer, all born Llanfihangel.
Son Thomas had left home, was married and had started a family.
Tim's great great grandfather -Thomas Edwards
who built the present Chapel in 1870
and became the first person to be buried in its consecrated ground behind the Chapel.
1851 census ; Tyn y Fron, Upper Llanfihangel.
Thomas Edwards 26, miner, Elizabeth Edwards 28, wife, children, Mary Edwards 4, all born Llanfihangel y Creuddyn, Upper.
1861 census ; Tynclytan, Upper Llanfihangel.
Thomas Edwards 36, Schoolmaster and Calvinistic Methodist Preacher, Elizabeth Edwards 38, wife, children, Mary Edwards 14, James Edwards 9, Michael Edwards 4, Elizabeth Edwards 2, all born Llanfihangel y Creuddyn, Upper.
built by Rev. Thomas Edwards
1871 census ; Tynclytan, Upper Llanfihangel.
Thomas Edwards 46, Calvinistic Methodist Minister,Cwmystwyth Chapel, Elizabeth Edwards 48, Minister's wife, children, Michael Edwards 14, Elizabeth Edwards 12, Sarah Ann Edwards 9, Margaret J Edwards 3, all born Llanfihangel y Creuddyn, Upper.
Rev Thomas Edwards and his wife Elizabeth
1881 census ; Fron, Llanfihangel y Creuddyn Upper.
Elizabeth Edwards 58, Minister's wife, children, Michael Edwards 24, Sarah A. Edwards 18, Margaret J Edwards 13, all born Llanfihangel y Creuddyn, Upper.
Rev Thomas Edwards died on the 27th February 1887, aged 62. He was the first to buried at his Chapel. His wife Elizabeth died on March 1st 1896, aged 67
Grave of Rev Thomas Edwards
and Mrs Elizabeth Edwards
at Cwmystwyth Chapel
Parch. T.EDWARDS, Cwmystwyth
Yr hwn a fu farw Chewfror 27, 1887
Yn 62 mlwydd
Coffadwriaeth y cyfiawn sydd fendigedig
Hefyd ELIZABETH ei briod
Hunodd Mawrth 1af 1896
Yn 67 mlwydd oed
Ni wrthododd rheini ei bobl yr hwn a adnabu efe o'r blaen.
| Tim's great grandfather Michael Edwards
who was a schoolteacher at New Inn School.
I am grateful to Mrs Mary Edwards who has supplied the following dates of birth which appear in the family Bible.
The address is recorded as Pentre Bronant.
Elizabeth Michell is my great grandmother. KD
Mary Jane Michell
Harriet Louise Michell
Thomas Henry Michell
|July 3rd 1851|
July 24th 1853
January 10th 1855
August 30th 1857
March 30th 1860
June 7th 1863
January 23rd 1865
November 25th 1868
April 26th 1872
Michael married Annie Michell, daughter of William and Sarah Michell of Cwmystwyth
MICHELL BIBLE ENTRIES
|Annie seated left with unknown family members.
(Photos courtesy of Tim Edwards)
|Michael and Annie Edwards with left to right
Elizabeth, Nesta, Blodwyn, Gwladys, William, Thomas (Tim Edwards' grandfather), dated approx 1898
1891 census ; Ty Corner, Llanfihangel ar Arth. Newcastle in Emlyn.
Michael Edwards 34, schoolmaster, Annie Edwards 30, wife, children ; Lizzie Edwards 5, all born Llanfihangel y Creuddyn, Thomas Edwards 3, Nesta Edwards 1, all born Llanfihangel ar Arth.
|Michael Edwards with New Inn School 1895
Michael Edwards with pupils of New Inn School
1901 census ; Ivy Villa, Llanfihangel ar Arth. Newcastle in Emlyn.
Michael Edwards 44, schoolmaster, Annie Edwards 40, wife, children ; Lizzie Edwards 15, all born Llanfihangel y Creuddyn, Tom Edwards 13, Nesta Edwards 11, Willie Edwards 9, Blodwen Edwards 4, Gladys Edwards 3, all born Llanfihangel ar Arth.
|and with husband Michael|
JAMES ALFRED BEVAN
Tim adds that there is another very interesting Welsh side to her family history in the Bevan line. James Alfred Bevan, Tim's great grandfather, was Captain of the first Welsh rugby team to play England.
Click here to read a fascinating history on Alfred James Bevan, which is on the website of Clifton RFC's history
James Bevan (15 April 1856 - 3 February 1938) was a Wales international three-quarter who played club rugby for Clifton RFC and Newport. He is best known for being the first Welsh international captain.
Photo courtesy of Tim Edwards
James A. Bevan pictured in 1878
Born in Caulfield, Australia, Bevan moved to England with his family while still young. He attended Hereford Cathedral School, and played for Abergavenny before attending university at Cambridge. Bevan played for Cambridge University, and while with Cambridge was selected to captain the very first Welsh international against England.
Wales v England
Standing (L-R): W.D.Phillips (Cardiff), G.Harding (Newport), R.Mullock (Newport), F.Purdon (Newport), G.Darbishire (Bangor), E.Treharne (Ponypridd), R.G.D.Williams (Abercamlais).
Sitting: T.A.Rees (Oxford University and Llandovery), E.Peake (Oxford University and Chepstow), J.A.Bevan (Captain) (Cambridge University and Grosmont), B.E.Girling (Cardiff), B.B.Mann (Cardiff).
On Ground: L.Watkins (Oxford University and Llandaff), C.H.Newman (Cambridge University and Newport), E.J.Lewis (Cambridge University and Llandovery), R.H.B Summers (Haverfordwest).
Tim adds; I've unearthed (via Mum) what seems to be an original print of the Welsh team photo with J. A.Bevan.
Patrick Casey states; This is the best copy I have ever seen of this photo.It was taken just before the match in 1881. Most likely in the back of the Princess of Wales pub in Blackheath where they changed. I say that with confidence as it shows the actual team that played. As two didn't turn up and two who turned up to watch but weren't finally selected, played at the last minute are in the picture. It couldn't have been taken after the match as their kit would have been too dirty. I wonder if the photo was taken while someone mustered up some kit for the 2 newcomers. There was nowhere else indoors to take a photo so it had to be here.
It is slightly different but I have come across this before. In Victorian times they would take a few photos and choose the best, or should I say the one where a person is not blurred because he moved or the plate was dodgy. If they did one and it didn't come out it would be difficult or impossible to get everyone back to redo it.
The Rugby Football Union insisted that the England vs Wales match be played on 19th February 1881. This was the same day that Swansea were playing Llanelli at Neath in a semi-final cup-tie thus depriving Wales of several players. This was Wales first international; organised before the Welsh Rugby Union was set up. The players had never played together before; though one player, Major Richard Summers, was selected for Wales on his performances a couple of years earlier for his school, Cheltenham College, in matches against Cardiff and Newport. No formal invitations to play were sent out to the Welsh XV. Two of those expected to appear didn't turn up, so bystanders, university undergraduates with tenuous Welsh links who had travelled to London to see the match, were called in to play for Wales.
It was a humiliating defeat for the Welsh team and Bevan never played for Wales again (under modern scoring values Wales lost 82-0). A month after the match the WRFU was founded at the Castle Hotel, Neath on 12th March 1881.
James Bevan later became an Anglican clergyman.
James leads a St George's Church, Sunday School Parade through Great Yarmouth
The James Bevan Trophy below, was named in his honour to celebrate 100 years of Test Rugby
Reproduced by licence
photo courtesy Clifton R.F.C
Photo courtesy Clifton R.F.C.
Standing (L-R): William Clarke, Dorothea, John, Edith, Eric. Sitting: Hubert, Annie Susan (Winifred on knee), James Alfred, Ernest Guy. In front: Kenneth. Geoff.
The Woodall Family
(James' wife's family)
Photos courtesy of Tim Edwards
Some Woodall family members
by kind permission and
copyright of Tim Edwards
Eluned Evans writes; I am actively involved with Cofnodion Cwmystwyth (the Cwmystwyth community archive) and I've been meaning to contact you for ages! I wanted to say how much I am enjoying looking through the wealth of information you have on your website - especially (but not only) about Cwmystwyth.
I am gradually working my way through transcribing all the Census returns for Cwmystwyth (i.e. 1841-1901), the Eglwys Newydd Parish Registers (the data from those available in the National Library), Capel Siloam Registers (the only ones I've been able to locate are the Baptismal registers from 1813 on) and finally the 5 account books of the Cwmystwyth Friendly Society which are in the National Library.
Well, I just wanted to make contact and say how much I'm enjoying your website. If you are interested in seeing the Cofnodion Cwmystwyth section of the Community Archive Wales website, it can be found at www.ourwales.org.uk
Many thanks for all your hard work