My great great grandmother Sarah Bands married William Michell. Here we detail Bands family from Gwennap, Cornwall, who moved to live in the Yspytty Ystwyth area.
Information very kindly supplied by Ian Mitchell, Thomas Wyndham Davies, Nicholas Kirk Davies and Susan Blaser
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BANDS


JOHN BANDS
born c 1760
married
SARAH GRIBBLE


JOHN BANDS was my great, great, great, great grandfather, who married SARAH GRIBBLE on the 24th April 1784,
as recorded in the Bishop's Transcript.

Both were born around 1760.
They had nine children, all baptised in Gwennap, Cornwall


Elizabeth, bapt 12th September 1784  
John baptised 4th February 1787  
John bapt 30th April 1789  
Sarah bapt 5th February 1792  
Henry bapt 8th October 1794  
William bapt 10th August 1797 
William bapt 10th August 1799

Martyn bapt 9th December 1805
my gt gt gt grandparents

married Catharine Davey
Thomas bapt 1st Sept 1808

Sarah Gribble's parents were Henry and Joyce Gribble nee Hart. They lived at Gwennap, Cornwall 


 

MARTYN BANDS
son of
JOHN and SARAH BANDS

MARTYN married CATHERINE DAVEY


MARTYN and CATHERINE BANDS, nee DAVEY
were married at Tywardreath on the 25th October 1827.
They had nine children
;

Sarah bapt 24th February 1828
my gt gt grandparents
married William Michell
Ann bapt 21st February 1830
Tywardreath
married Jacob Jacob
3 Oct 1859
Yspytty Church
Elizabeth bapt 3rd September 1832
Tywardreath
married William Bands
16 Oct 1862
Yspytty Church
John bapt 8th November 1835 Tywardreath,
died 19 Oct 1855
Harriet  born Oct 1842
Yspytty Ystwyth
died October 1842
Henry born October 1842
Yspytty Ystwyth
died October 1842
Henry born 1844
Yspytty Ystwyth
died 1920 Pennsylvania
married Avarina Williams
6 April 1867,
Yspytty Church

Harriet born 1846 in Yspytty Ystwyth,
died 29 January 1878
 
 

married Charles James Corp, 23 July 1870 in Yspytty Church 
Louisa born 1849 in Yspytty Ystwyth

The 1841 census for Bank, St Agnes shows Catherine Bonds (Bands) age 30, as head, children Ann 12, Elizabeth 8 and John 5, all born in Cornwall. Martyn was not at home at the time of the census but died in 1850, the year preceding the next census.

The 1851 census for Belle Vue, shows Catherine Bands 40, wife, as head children Elizabeth 18, John 15, Henry 6, Harriet 4 and Louisa 1. Martyn was not at home at the time of the census. Three lodgers were in the household, Wyn Morsheld (?) 21, Edward Bennet 21 and John Bennett 20, all lead miners.

The 1861 census of Belle Vue Inn, Ysbytty Ystwyth, shows *Sarah Bands, head, 55 and widowed, housemaid, living there with children Elizabeth 27, housemaid, Henry Bands son, 16, miner, Harriet 14, Louisa 11.
*Should read Catherine Bands.

Catherine Bands died on the 4th Janaury 1886, at Cymauduon, Llanfihangel Upper, aged 80. Widow of Martyn Bands, Innkeeper.
John Michell, her grandson, son of Sarah Michell nee Bands, was present at her death. Died of chronic bronchitis. Certified by John Morgan MRCS.


SARAH BANDS
daughter of
MARTYN and CATHERINE BANDS

SARAH married WILLIAM MICHELL
CLICK HERE TO READ ABOUT THE MICHELL FAMILY


I am extremely grateful to relatives Ashley and Miriam Davies, who hail from Australia, for supplying the following wonderful information; KD

The marriage certificate of William Michell and Sarah Bands shows that they were married on 24th March 1851, both of full age.
William was a miner, residence Cwmystwyth. His father William was also miner. Sarah's residence was "Belle Vue", Ysbyty Ystwyth, her father's name was Martin Bands, a miner.
They were married at Eglwys Newydd in the parish of Llanfihangel-y-Creuddyn by Registrar's certificate and the witnesses were Sampson Michell and James Bennett.


WILLIAM AND SARAH MICHELL nee BANDS
had nine children

William Henry born 3 July 1851 married Elizabeth
John born 24 July 1853 married Elizabeth Annie Mason in 1875
Sampson born 10 January 1855 married Sarah Claridge
James born 30 August 1857 married Emma
Anna born 30 March 1860 married Michael Edwards
Elizabeth born 7 June 1863
my great grandparents
married Richard Jenkins
Mary Jane born 23 January 1865
Harriet Louisa born 25 December 1868
Thomas Henry born 26 April 1872



ANN BANDS
daughter of
MARTYN and CATHERINE BANDS

ANN married JACOB JACOB


Ann was christened on the 21st February 1830

The couple were married at Yspytty Church
on the 10th March 1859,
in the Parish of Yspytty Ystwyth in the County of Cardigan.
Jacob Jacob was 34, bachelor, a miner from Waun Lloi,
his father was David Jacob, farmer.
Ann Bands was 29, spinster, of Belle Vue,
her father was Martyn Bands, miner.
Witnesses were James Bennett and William Rough


JACOB and ANN JACOB nee BANDS
had five known children

David was born in 1860
Sophia A Jacob born 1864
Elizabeth Sophia Jacob born 1866 married Edwin Thomas Adams 
John Bands Jacob  
Thomas J Jacob born 1876

JACOB JACOBS
Mr Thomas Wyndham Davies wrote; My great great grandfather was a lead miner at Yspytty Ystwyth in mid Wales.   His name was Jacob Jacobs, born 1826, died 21st March 1897.   His wife's name was Ann, née Bands, born 1829 at Tywardreath, Nr. St. Blazey, Cornwall.   She died on 31st December 1890, and they are both buried at Yspytty Ystwyth.
 

I know a great deal about the Jacobs' side of my family, but absolutely nothing about the family of my great great grandmother, born Ann Bands.

In 1861, Jacob and Anne were living at Gistfaen, Yspytty Ystwyth. He was 35, a lead miner, Anne was 31 and they had an 11 month old son, David who was born at Yspytty Ystwyth.

In 1871, the family were living at The Black Lion. Jacob, 45 was still a miner, Anne was 41, and their family consisted of David, 10, Sophia 7, and Elizabeth 5.

The 1881 census merely describes Jacob Jacobs' family living at Nantyberwo, in Yspytty Ystwyth. Jacob was 55, Ann Jacobs 50 being born in Tywardreath. Children living with them were David 20, lead miner, Sophia A. 17, domestic servant, out of employment,  Elizabeth  15, Thomas J 5.
One of their children was given the name "John Bands Jacob", which verifies his mother's maiden name, apart from a record in the family bible. He does not appear in this census.

Ann Jacob died on the 31st December 1890

The 1891 census shows Jacob 65, as a widower, working as a coal miner. He aand his family are living at 4, Roderick Terrace, Llantrisant. Sons David 30, Thomas J. 15 are allsso working in the coal mine. His daughter Sophia A. 27, is now married to Thomas Edwards 32, a coal miner. They are living with Jacob, together with their children Ann 6, born in Llwynpia, David I. 4 and John M. 2, both born in Porth, Glamorgan.
Jane Jenkins, 23 is the family's domestic servant, born in Ysbyty Ystwyth.
All speak both Welsh and Engli
sh .

Jacob died on the 21st March 1897 and was buried with his wife Ann at St John the Baptist Church, Ysbyty Cynfyn, Ponterwyd

 St John the Baptist, Ysbyty Cynfyn

 
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This 19th century church replaced an earlier one associated with the Knights Hospitallers of St John of Jerusalem. According to one account, the old church had been used as a venue for traditional sports such as wrestling but the Methodist revival of the 18th century helped to put an end to such activities. It is recorded that the first Methodist to preach in the area did so from the churchyard wall in the 1740s.

 
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SUSANNAH MARY ADAMS
daughter of
EDWIN THOMAS and
ELIZABETH SOPHIA ADAMS nee JACOB

Thomas Wyndham Davies wrote;
My mother was born Susannah Mary Adams - the grand-daughter of Ann Bands of Tywardreath, Cornwall and Jacob Jacob of Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardiganshire.  She was born and brought up in Tonypandy, Rhondda, but she often told me that her family came from Yspytty Ystwyth, although she had never been there.  Her mother was born Elizabeth Sophia Jacob, the daughter of the above Ann Bands and Jacob Jacob.  She had married a Thomas Edwin Adams from Iron Acton in Gloucestershire
.

Yspytty Ystwyth was very populated during the time that the lead mines were in full production.

Sophia was a common given name in the family, as, going even further back, a Sophia Williams (b.1805  d.1897) of Llanbadarn, Nr. Aberystwyth, had married Jacob Jacob's father - David Jacob of Caron (b. 7th  Feb 1797  d.1860)  (somewhere near Yspytty Ystwyth I believe) ;  and Sophia's brother Thomas Williams even named one of his own children Sophia.  David and Sophia Jacob then produced three sons (one being Jacob Jacob above) and six daughters, one of whom was also named Sophia - Sophia Ann Jacob, in full.    This of course made Sophia Williams and Sophia Jacob first cousins.  Furthermore, one of the sons was named John Bands Jacob

Worth mentioning.  David Jacob of Caron had a twin brother Ifan (pronounced Evan) who produced quite a family of his own.  There are indications that his wife was also named Catherine, but this may be a confusion with Catherine Bands, so I wouldn't put too much reliance on this.

My mother also mentioned the names of MESSER  and  ISHMAEL from Yspytty Ystwyth as other names in the ancestry of her family.  When I was in the R.A.F. and stationed at Aberporth in Cardiganshire, I had my mother stay with me and my family for some time.  Whilst there on one occasion we all went for a drive up to Devil's Bridge, and then out of curiostity to Yspytty Ystwyth.  On casually searching through the church cemetery we came across gravestones bearing the names MESSER and ISHMAEL.  So, as my mother had never been there in her life before that occasion, there must have been some truth in what she had told me about her ancestor's names

JACOB EDWIN ADAMS
son of

EDWIN THOMAS and
ELIZABETH SOPHIA ADAMS nee JACOB
 Jacob married
GEORGINA HART

Aurona Brooks and Margaret Bird have been in touch KD;

We came across the Penmon website where it seems you are looking for information about our family.

Nick Davies asked elsewhere; My great uncle Jacob Edwin Adams - the grandson of Jacob Jacobs above, married a Georgina and lived in Jones Street, Blaenclydach, Nr. Tonypandy, S. Wales.
They had five children, David, Dulcie, Dorothy, Norman and Trevor. My father was very fond of his Uncle Jake and Auntie "Ena", and remembers the family very well from the time he was a youngster in Tonypandy. He tells me that Auntie "Ena" was a very beautiful, loving lady with a most enchanting accent. Does anyone know what else became of my father's cousins - the above offsprings, particularly Dorothy?

We were amazed to see all this information about our mum, Dorothy's family!
We know a great deal about the Jacobs' side of my family, but absolutely nothing about the family of my great great grandmother, born Ann Bands.Does anyone have any information about the family and background of Ann Bands?

The 1881 census merely describes Jacob Jacobs' family living in Ysbyty Ystwyth, mentioning Ann Jacobs being born in Tywardreath. One of their children was given the name "John Bands Jacob", which verifies his mother's maiden name, apart from a record in the family bible.

1891 Census, 31 Clydach Road, Ystradyfodwg

Edwin Thomas Adams, 23, born  Yale, Gloucestershire, was a collier, living with his wife Elizabeth Adams (nee Jacobs) born Ysbyty Ystwyth. They had one child, Jacob Edwin Adams, born Clydach. Elizabeth spoke both Welsh and English.

 1901 Census, 62 Charles St, Ystradyfodwg

Edwin Thomas Adams, 33, was a coal hewer, wife Elizabeth was 35. Their children consisted of Jacob E. 11, Thomas H. 9, David 8, Evan 7, Elizabeth A. 4 and Edward 1, all born Clydach Glamorgan. Elizabeth and children spoke both Welsh and English.

Son Jacob, married Georgina Hart, his cousin.

Jacob Adams and Georgina Hart


They lived in 83 Jones Street, Bristol and 'Ena' was indeed remembered as a gentle loving woman.

From front left to right: Dulcie, Norman, Trevor, Dorothy and David Adams


Dorothy who is our mother, David, Dulcie and Norman all moved to Bristol but Trevor had passed away as a young boy (around 11 years old). Unfortunately they have all passed away now

 

 Dorothy and Raymond Harris' wedding day 16th of April 1949 (from right to left Georgina Adams, Dulcie Merchant, Jacob Adams and Dorothy)


Dorothy married Raymond Harris in 1949 and had two daughters (Aurona & Margaret). 

 

 Our beautiful mum Dorothy

Our mum Dorothy was born in 1923 and died in 1983.

 

 

ELIZABETH BANDS
daughter of
MARTYN and CATHERINE BANDS

ELIZABETH married WILLIAM BANDS


The couple were married at Yspytty Parish Church
on the 16th October 1862.
Elizabeth 30, spinster of Belle Vue,
her father was Martyn Bands, Inn keeper.
William Bands was 32, bachelor, miner of Yspytty Village,
his father was William Bands, miner.
Witnesses were William Michell Junior and Sarah Ishmael.

 

 

JOHN BANDS
son of
MARTYN and CATHERINE BANDS


John was baptised on the 8th November 1835
and died on the 19th October 1855
Hhe is buried at St Michael's Anglican Church, Eglwys Newydd
with his father, Martyn Bands.


 

HARRIET BANDS
daughter of
MARTYN and CATHERINE BANDS


Harriet was born and died in October 1842.
She is buried at St John the Baptist, Yspytty Ystwyth.


 

HENRY BANDS
son of
MARTYN and CATHERINE BANDS


Henry was born and died in October 1842.
He is buried at St John the Baptist, Yspytty Ystwyth.


HARRIET BANDS
daughter of
MARTYN and CATHERINE BANDS

HARRIET married CHARLES CORP

The couple were married at Yspytty Ystwyth Parish Church on the 23rd of July 1870.
Charles Corp 23, bachelor, miner living at Belle Vue,
his father was Emmanuel Corp, velvet weaver.
Harriet Bands, 21, spinster, living at Belle Vue,
her father's name was Martyn Bands, miner.
Witnesses were Henry Bands and Evan Williams
.

Harriett died on the 29th January 1878, at Pontrhydygroes, aged 31of phthisis (tuberculosis). Charles Corp, lead miner and widower of the deceased was present at her death.



HENRY BANDS
son of
MARTYN and CATHERINE BANDS

HENRY married AVARINA WILLIAMS


The couple were married on the 6th April 1867 at the Parish Church, Yspytty Ystwyth.
Henry Bands 22, bachelor, miner living at Belle Vue,
his father was Martyn Bands, Inn keeper 
Avarina Williams, 23 spinster living at Pendre,
her father was William Williams, farmer.
Witnesses were both named William Williams.
The other was her brother 

HENRY Bands and AVARINA
had nine children

Sarah Ann born 16 June 1867
Yspytty Ystwyth
Emely Jane born 1869
Yspytty Ystwyth
William Henry born 9 November 1871
Yspytty Ystwyth

John Martin born 5 January 1874
Pennsylvania

Margaret L born 1876
Pennsylvania
Harriet L born 1878
James Garfield born 5 July 1881
Pennsylvania
Harry T born 1884
Pennsylvania
Thomas Lewis born 16 July 1885
born Pennsylvania

In 1880, Henry is recorded on the United States Federal Census as living at Wardentown, Westmorland, Pensylvania. He is 36 and a coal miner. His wife Avarina (recorded as Everina) was 37 and keeping house. Living at home were Emely J, 10, William H. 8, John M. 6, Maggie L 4, and Harriet L. 1.  

Henry is mentioned in James Michell's letter to his sister Elizabeth Michell.
She was Sarah Michell nee Bands' daughter
.

Are you near Portmadoc and Pwllheli? I have been to both places, are you near brother Tom? He is in North Wales somewhere in the lead meadures. I have not heard from him since I left home in 1882. I will send you my photo. Was 52 years old August 30th and have been bald some 20 years. Have not heard from brother Henry for seven years, do not know his whereabouts. Henry Bands lives at Duquisne, about four miles from here. Have not seen any of them for two years. I do not visit very much, too busy attending my own business, still we are on the best of terms.


The 1910 US Federal Census shows Henry 65, Avarina 66 and Thomas L, living in Allegheny, Pennsylvania.


WILLIAM HENRY BANDS
son of
HENRY and AVARINA BANDS

 

Henry was born on the 9th November 1871 at Cefnygraig, Yspytty Ystwyth, son of Henry Bands lead miner and Avarina Bands


Photo courtesy of Susan Blaser

Agnes, Ruth, Florence and Edgar, children of William Henry Bands


Photo
courtesy of Susan Blaser

William Henry Bands, taken around 1953.

I am also grateful to Nicholas Kirk Davies for the following information.
 
My Father, Thomas Wyndham Davies (b Ton Y Pandy) has researched several strands of our family tree. This particular strand stretches from his mother Susannah back to Ann Bands whom we have in common.
 
Other strands go via the Davies clan of Gilfach Goch into the mysts of time and Newcastle Emlyn and included some colourful characters. Uncle Billy, who died at Brunete in Spain for one. Another strand connects us to the Riddifords and thence to Australia with a hint that I might be cousin to Kylie Minogue, but probably not.

Regards
 
Nicholas Kirk Davies (b 1955, Hereford). 

Now, Ann Bands, my great grandmother, and her sister Sarah Bands, came from Tywardreath, Nr. St. Blazey in Cornwall.  There were other brothers and sisters, one in particular named Louisa, who I shall mention in a moment.  Ann and Sarah's parents were Martyn Bands and Catherine Davey, both from Gwennap, not too far from Tywardreath (and very well known as one of the places John Wesley used to thump his bible!).    Martyn's parents, Ann and Sarah's grandparents, also from Gwennap, were John Bands and Sarah Gribble, and both born about 1760.  (My word, this is going back a bit!  250 years!!    **When America was still a colony!). 

(I have been to Gwennap, and visited the "pit", which is a great depression in the ground formed by the filling-in of a mineshaft, and now occasionally used as an open air amphitheatre.  Very impressive!  Although I didn't know at the time that my forbears came from there). 

Browsing through the 1881 Census for Yspytty Ystwyth I came across:

(The Black Lion was home to several related families!)

Dwelling:       Black Lion
                                                            Marr      Age      Sex      Birthplace

John MESSER                                      M         49         M         Gwennap, Cornwall, England             Rel:      Head of Family            Occ:     Lead Miner

Sophia MESSER                                   M         49         F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Wife            Occ:     Lead Miners Wife

Sarah A. MESSER                                U          19         F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales            Rel:      Daughter            Occ:     Formerly Domestic Servant

David MESSER                                                 11         M         Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Son            Occ:     At School

Harriet L. MESSER                                           9          F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales            Rel:      Daughter            Occ:     At School

Lydia MESSER                                                7          F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales            Rel:      Daughter            Occ:     At School

William THOMAS                                   U          29         M         Merthyr Tydfyl, Glamorgan, Wales            Rel:      Lodger            Occ:     Clock Cleaner & Maker 

AND

Dwelling:       Black Lion (a)
                                                            Marr      Age      Sex      Birthplace

Richard DAVEY                                        W         70         M         Gwennap, Cornwall, England     Rel:      Head of Family            Occ:     Mine Blacksmith

Emily A.E. DAVEY                                U          28         F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Daughter             Occ:     Household Duties

Mary Ellen DAVEY                                           14         F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Grand Daughter             Occ:     At School

  AND

Dwelling:       Black Lion (b)
                                                            Marr      Age      Sex      Birthplace

Henry MITCHELL                                   M         35         M         Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Head of Family            Occ:     Lead Mine Agent

Margaret MITCHELL                               M        32         M         Llanfihangel, Cardigan, Wales            Rel:      Wife            Occ:     Lead Mine Agents Wife

Rebecca E. MITCHELL                                      14         F          Aberystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Daughter            Occ:     At School

Margaretta C. MITCHELL                                    9          F          Aberystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Daughter            Occ:     At School

Henry J. MITCHELL                                           4          M         Aberystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Son            Occ:     At School

AND

Dwelling:       4 Wesley Terrace

                                                            Marr      Age      Sex      Birthplace

Morgan JONES                                     M         31         M         Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales           Rel:      Head of Family             Occ:     Lead Miner

Louisa JONES                                      M         31         F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Wife             Occ:     Lead Miners Wife

John JONES                                                    10         M         Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Son            Occ:     At School

Anne JONES                                                    7          F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Daughter            Occ:     At School

Agnes R.L. JONES                                           5          F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales            Rel:      Daughter            Occ:     At School

Mary E. JONES                                                2          F          Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales            Rel:      Daughter

Thomas M. JONES                                           5 mo     M         Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales             Rel:      Son

Cathrine S. BAUDS                               W         76         F          Snyat, Cornwall, England            Rel:      Mother In Law            Occ:     Lead Miners Widow

1.

Studying the entry for the Black Lion above there is the name JOHN MESSER from Gwennap.   Considering my mother's comments about her family's ancestral names this is a helluva coincidence by anyone's measure.    Not only that, he was married to SOPHIA.   Although there is no indication of her family name I wouldn't mine taking on a bet that she was Sophia Jacob - David Jacob's daughter, born in 1832 and mentioned above.   Her age tallies exactly with the census extract.   So the Gwennap John Bands and his son Martyn Bands - Sophia Jacob's uncle, who also came to live in mid-Wales and was buried at Tregaron,  must certainly have known the Gwennap John Messer, and the romance appears to have blossomed from this close relationship of these Cornish families.   (I'll have to do a bit more digging in the Gwennap Pit to find more of the Messers!)    And is it any more than a coincidence that John and Sophia Messer named one of their daughters SARAH, and possibly SARAH ANN as "keeping it in the family" names complimenting Sarah and Ann Bands?   Maybe even to compliment Sarah Gribble - Ann and Sarah Bands' grandmother.

What a story; I'll have to give all this to a grandson of mine who's a budding novelist.

2.Look, now, at the census entry for No. 4 Wesley Terrace.   If the aged mother-in-law has been recorded with a grossly misprinted entry, she would certainly be CATHERINE BANDS, aged 76 and from some, again misprinted, place in Cornwall.   If this is so, she could very well be Martyn Bands' wife, born CATHERINE DAVEY.   They were married in 1827 at Tywardreath which would have made her age 23 at that time.   Continuing with the coincidences, Martyn and Catherine named one of their daughters LOUISA, born in 1850 at Tywardreath.   Louisa's age again tallies exactly with that of LOUISA JONES, the wife of Morgan, above, although I strongly suspect that she possibly wasn't aware of where she was born, and gave the census clerk her assumed birthplace, which had been her family's home as far as she could remember.

3.Look, next, at the census entry of the Black Lion (a).     There is a Richard Davey, aged 70, also from Gwennap, where Catherine Davey was also born.   More coincidence?   Could he be her younger brother?   And living in the Black Lion at that!   See paragraph 6 below.

Whilst I'm thinking of it I must mention Ann Bands' sister SARAH.   Although from Tywardreath she married a William Michell in 1851 in "the Aberystwyth District", and had a team of children, one of whom was SAMPSON MICHELL.   Her husband also came from the West Country, near Tavistock, Devon  - possibly from Mary Tavy.   (See 4 below).   This shows that they had both moved up to mid-Wales prior to their marriage.  

One of their grandsons, via Sampson Michell, was William Bands Michell* (there's that name again - refer to John Bands Jacob above), a renowned figure in the lead mining industry near Yspytty Ystwyth, and known as "Captain Michell".   The point of mentioning this is that there is a family bible, looked after by a cousin of mine, with an entry:

"Billy Mitchell died 6th April, 1924"

This was written by my grandmother Elizabeth Sophia Adams, the grand-daughter of Ann Bands, who was the sister of Sarah Bands, the grandmother of "BILLY MITCHELL".   She must have maintained some contact with her family in Yspytty Ystwyth to have known this.   I'm not too sure about his relationship to my grandmother - something like enth cousin, exth removed, but definitely something.

(Very important:: The surname MICHELL was unusually common in Gwennap in 1881, but seems to vary from census to census between MICHELL and MITCHELL, so I would take this to reflect the same family, but with whims of spelling).  

4.In the census entry for Black Lion (b) there is a family of MITCHELLs. Again, because I strongly believe that all these inhabitants are family related, HENRY MITCHELL, 35,  could well be HENRY MICHELL, born in 1846, one of the six brothers of the William Michell who had married Sarah Bands.   All seven brothers (there were no sisters!) were from Mary Tavy, near Tavistock, and were the sons of yet another WILLIAM MICHELL and REBECCA …? of Mary Tavy or Tavistock.  

Although Henry Mitchell / Michell has given his birthplace as Yspytty Ystwyth, this may well be for the same reason for Louisa's assumption in 2. above.   Furthermore, he named one of his daughters REBECCA, which certainly reflects on his mother's name - presuming, of course, that he really is that Henry Michell, but I don't think there is much doubt of that.

5.Looking through the 1881 census for any BANDS in Cornwall I have found only one: MARY BANDS, a 49 year old widow living in Redruth.   Redruth is not too far from Gwennap, only two or three miles.   It seems, therefore, that all the Bands, except for this lady, had by this time left Cornwall to seek their fortunes elsewhere - in fact to mid Wales at the lead mines.    Probably the tin extraction at Gwennap had been worked out well before this time, which gave John Wesley his chance to preach fire and brimstone in "the pit".

6.Further, trawling through the 1881 census for the Gwennap district I have found quite a few DAVEY families.   Now, if Catherine Davey's age was as stated - 76, and if Richard Davey at the Black Lion was 70, I would hope to find some other brothers, unmarried sisters and widows named Davey in Gwennap at about this age.   In fact I found only one possible brother, namely Henry Davey, aged 72, and three elderly widows named Davey of about the same age.  However, there are other Daveys around the age of 40 or so: two males, namely James Davey aged 43 and John Davey aged 41 who by stretching the imagination could be the children of either Richard or Henry.

What I have found extraordinary is the the great move of the families of MICHELLs, BANDS, MESSERS and maybe the ISHMAELS from remote Cornwall and Devon to even more remote Yspytty Ystwyth in mid Wales.   The postal service was up and running in those days, so communication would not have been a problem, but the logistics of the moves must have been formidable.   Imagine the railway facilities from the West Country through to the Welsh borders or possibly through to Cardigan itself or Aberystwyth, then more rail journeys into the heart of the hills up the Rheidol Valley to Devil's Bridge, and then road transport to Yspytty Ystwyth.  Not easy today.   Bloody horrendous 150 years ago.   But they did it!

And what happened to the rest of the Bands family - the other children of John Bands and Sarah Gribble of Gwennap, and then the other children of Martyn Bands and Catherine Davey?    When I checked the U.K. electoral register for 2004 (computerised) I found only four, very dispersed throughout the country, but not in the West Country or Wales.   The same goes for the remainder of the Michells.   There must be scores who would be interested in their ancestry - perhaps?

TOM DAVIES, 5TH MAY, 2008.

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P.S.   I haven't found any ISHMAEL's in the family - yet.   They could also be from Cornwall.

Here's some more fascinating information written by Tom Davies 

ANN BANDS from TYWARDREATH, CORNWALL

1.   GEORGINA (HART) from IRON ACTON, Nr. BRISTOL


2.   My great uncle Jacob Edwin Adams - the grandson of Jacob Jacobs above, married a Georgina Hart and lived in Jones Street, Blaenclydach, Nr. Tonypandy, S. Wales.   They had five children, David, Dulcie, Dorothy, Norman and Trevor.   Trevor sadly died when a youngster following an accident which required a leg to be amputated, with further complications.   My father was very fond of his Uncle Jake and Auntie "Ena", and remembers the family very well from the time he was a youngster in Tonypandy.   He tells me that Auntie "Ena" was a very beautiful, loving lady with a most enchanting accent.  

Does anyone know what else became of my father's cousins - the above offsprings, particularly Dorothy.   Enquiries with people in Jones Street have revealed nothing.   In particular, does anyone have any information about the family background of great Auntie "Ena" who, it is believed, came from near Bristol, possibly around Iron Acton.  

Uncle Jake's father Thomas Edwin Adams (hence the middle forename!), although settling in Tonypandy after his marriage, came from Iron Acton.   He married Elizabeth, the daughter of Jacob Jacobs and Ann Bands above and settled in Tonypandy.

It does not take much imagination to work out how Uncle Jake met Georgina, as very likely he was used to visiting his father's relatives in Iron Acton, or perhaps Georgina was visiting Tonypandy at the time of their marriage, as she may have been related in some way to Thomas Edwin Adams. Her surname is not known, but it may very well have been Adams also.   More conjecture suggests that she was uncle Jake's cousin, through his father's family in Iron Acton.

One point known: Jake Adams and Georgina were married on 5th August, 1918, on the second day of his leave from France.   This suggests that he went straight to Bristol on his leave, but that is also conjecture.