Information on my father's side of the family. Originally from Llanarmon yn Ial, my great grandfather Edward Davies moved to live in Llanrwst.  Through census records, I have traced his parents and grandparents and his uncle Simon Davies, who took him in for a while as part of his large family. Edward was to emigrate to  America, leaving his family behind, with the intention that they joined him later. They never did, and they never saw Edward again
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THOMAS AND ELIZABETH DAVIES
My great, great, great grandparents

Thomas Davies 50, was born around 1791 as was his wife Elizabeth, 50. They are my great, great, great grandparents. In 1841, they lived at Ty Coch, Pant Isa, Llanfihangel with two of their sons, Daniel aged 20 working as an agricultural labourer as indeed was his father and Simon 20, who was a slater.  Simon was christened on the 10th June 1820. Ages in the 1841 census were rounded to the nearest 5 years.

Thomas and Elizabeth's other son Edward, my great, great grandfather who was born about 1823, was not living at home at the time.

Simon, Edward's brother had moved to live at Rhiw Yale in 1851 and had married Mary 27. They had four children Thomas 5, Jane 4, John 2 and Edward 4 months old. Simon was now a slater and plasterer.

Ten years on, in 1861, Simon and his family had moved to live in the village of Llanarmon yn Ial. Wife Mary was 37, and children Thomas 15, Jane 14, John 12, Edward 10, Elizabeth 8, Isaac 6, Louise 2 and the very young Mary, who was only a day old. An additional member of the household was Simon's brother Edward's son, also Edward, my great grandfather. Edward was 5 years old.

Llanarmon Yn Ial (St Garmon) - PID:25423

Simon continued to live in Llanarmon. In 1871 he was 50, living with wife Mary 47, son Thomas 25, Edward 20, William 5 and Simon 3. Ten years on, Simon 60 and Mary 57 had only daughter Jane living with them.

Llanarmon yn Ial Church is pictured left.

By 1891, Mary had died, leaving Simon a widower aged 60, with daughter Jane 34, now caring for him.


 EDWARD AND MARGARET DAVIES
My great, great grandparents. Edward - son of Thomas and Elizabeth Davies

By 1871, Edward now 15, had gone to live with parents Edward Davies 48 born in Llanarmon,and Margaret Davies 44, my great, great grandparents. Edward senior was farming 10 acres at Pendiau (?), Llywarch Parish, Llanarmon. and his wife Margaret was from Cerrigydrudion. Their daughter Margaret 12 was also locally born and living at home.

Son Edward married Ellen Williams of Pentre Mawr. Further information on them follow below. 

EDWARD DAVIES,  ELLEN DAVIES nee WILLIAMS, and CHILDREN.
They are my great grandparents
                     


Edward, above,

Ellen, right (l-r)
with William Edward, Margaret, Ellen and Idwal Glyn

Edward was born in Llanarmon yn Ial, and married Ellen Williams of Pentre Mawr, Capel Garmon. He worked as a lead miner at Nant Bwlch yr Haearn, and was also a choirmaster in Llanrwst. The lived at 3 School Bank Terrace.

Marriage Certificate Details -
Register Office Llanrwst, County of Denbigh
Entry 168.   Date of Marriage  12th August 1876
Edward Davies, aged 23, bachelor, a lead miner of the Town of Llanrwst. His father was Edward Davies, miner.
Ellen Williams, 25 years, spinster, no occupation, of Dyffryn Aur, Llanrwst.
Her father was William Williams, father.

Signed X the mark of Edward Davies   and Ellen Williams.
Witnesses O. D. Hughes and Margaret Williams

Richard Hughes, Registrar.
William Owen, Superintendant Registrar
 

The 1881 census shows the family consisting on Edward 25, working as a miner, wife Ellen 30, and children William Edward 3 and Margret 1, both born in Llanrwst. John Owen 23, a joiner from Llangerniew was lodging with them. 

Edward left for America and the intention was for the rest of the family to follow. I've established from shipping records that an Edward  Davies left home for America, arriving there on the 24th February 1890, having sailed on the City of Chester ship.

Ellen 40 at the 1891 census has no employment recorded against her name. Edward could have been sending money home. Son William Edward 13 was a scholar, Margaret is not recorded as living at home, Ellen Maud was 7 and my grandfather, Idwal Glyn, 4 years old.  

Edward corresponded with home for a while and then communication ceased. He was last heard of playing a piano either in Idaho or Idaho Springs (pictured left). News may have filtered through from America that he had died, or alternatively he was legally assumed as dead, as the family had not heard from him for sometime, because in the 1901 census for 3 School Bank Terrace, Ellen 50, is recorded as a widow.

Son William Edward Davies 23 was working as railway goods clerk, Ellen Maud Davies 17 was a milliner, and Idwal Glyn Davies 14 was employed as a labourer in a mineral works. Helping Ellen make ends meet was boarder John T Jones 20 a plasterer and slater.

Ellen and family stayed in Llanrwst. A rumour exists that he may have returned to this country, but never returned home. His grandson T. Glynne Davies wrote a Welsh language novel called Marged, which was based on Ellen and her family.

EDWARD AND ELLEN'S CHILDREN.

William Edward Davies was also a choirmaster at Llanrwst and later worked as a Manager with Pearl Assurance. He and his wife Mary Ellen Clarke Davies had five children; Edward Clarke Davies, Mary Clarke Davies, Beryl Clarke Davies, Arthur Clarke Davies and William Clarke Davies.They lived at Hillgrove, Abergele Road, Llanrwst.

Margaret Davies was born around 1880, and was living at home during the 1881 census. She was not living there during the two following censuses. She suffered with a club foot and went to work as a seamstrees in Liverpool.

 Above is photo of Aunty Margaret 'Maggie' Davies and also below, an extract from Chris Kilfoyle's family history file relating to the 1891 Census. It shows 'Maggie' living at 230 County Road Liverpool, with her aunt Alice Williams and uncle Henry 'Harry' Williams. She is attending school there.  

05/04/1891 CENSUS DAY 
Alice Williams (30) and her brother Henry Williams (19), children of William and Ellen Williams had moved to 230 County Road, Walton-On-The Hill, Liverpool, after the death of William and the takeover of the farm at Pentre Mawr by Robert Williams. Alice was running a confectioners business with her cousin Margaret Hughes (30). Margaret was the daughter of John Hughes who was the brother of Alice's mother Ellen. John Hughes ran a Grocers and Drapers shop and lived at Voelas House next to the White Horse Inn at Capel Garmon. Living with Alice and Henry was Alice's niece Margaret Davies (11), the daughter of Edward and Ellen Davies from Llanrwst. Margaret was listed as a Scholar and was therefore attending a school in Liverpool. Edward Davies was living in America at this time but, as far as was known, was still alive.
Also living with them was Ellen Jones, a servant from Llanrwst. Henry Williams was working as a Warehouseman. It is understood that he later succeeded in business and went to live in Southport, Lancs.     
'Maggie' wasn't on the 1901 census for Alice and Henry Williams who had moved from 230 County Road, Walton, to live at 270 Anfield Road, only a few streets away from Liverpool Football Club. She would have been 21 by then and finished her education in Liverpool.
 
Here is an additional photo of Aunty 'Maggie'  (1915/16) with her nephew Cecil, who was the son of John Richard and Ellen Maud Williams. 

She remained unmarried and is buried in Capel Seion.

I am very grateful to Chris and Lynda Kilfoyle for this wonderful addition to our family records.

 

Ellen Maude Davies (Aunty Nellie) was born around 1884. She married John Richard Wilson (Williams) and became a shopkeeper at Carlton, Denbigh Street, Llanrwst. The couple had three sons, Cecil, Bob and Norman. 

John Richard Williams 30 years, bachelor, whose father was Robert Williams, Ship's Officer, married Ellen Maude Williams 31 years, living at 3 School Bank Terrace, Llanrwst and whose father was Edward Davies, miner.

The marriage took place at Capel Seion, Llanrwst on the 10th September 1914, with Ellen's brother Idwal Glyn Davies being one of the witnesses. 


I was thrilled to receive communication from Ellen Maud Davies'  granddaughter Lynda  and her husband Chris Kilfoyle, who have kindly supplied the following information.

We understand that John Richard was called 'Wilson' for some reason but of course the family name is Williams. Lynda's dad, son of John Richard Williams, was Robert Williams (born 21/02/1917 and died 27/09/1998) and he had brothers Norman (born 08/07/1927 and died 10/05/2003) and Cecil (born 16/03/1915 and died in 1996). They were all born and brought up in Llanrwst. 'Bob'Williams lived in Wrexham for most of his life and married Ethel Roberts and is related to Dr. David Roberts. He was a well known Congregationalist minister originally from Bangor and then Wrexham who won the chair at the National Eisteddfod in Caernarfon and took the bardic name Dewi Ogwen.  
 
  
The above photo shows a family group on a day out on a boat - possibly one of the steamers that used to run from Llandudno - and includes from left to right: 
Standing:  John Richard Williams, Bank Manager - Llanrwst, Bank Manager's wife. 
Sitting: young girl (name unknown), Ellen Maud Williams, lady (name unknown), Ellen Davies wife of Edward Davies who went to America. 
John Richard Williams came from Porthmadog, the son of a Mariner. His family had connections with Llanfachreth near Dolgellau.    

Idwal Glynne Davies was my grandfather
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Some of this information can also be found on  http://www.melin-y-coed.co.uk/ which is well worth a visit. It is used here with permission. 

THANK YOU FOR VISITING THIS SITE - KEN DAVIES

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