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Are you able to help resolve some of these enquiries at all?
If so, please reply via the site's e-mail address
mail@penmon.org
Thank you - Ken Davies
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George Dawson
December 2009
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I came up with this site when I Googled "murder Red Wharf Bay." (See I.J. Platt - April 2008)
I had a holiday in 1947 when I was 3, staying in Llandegfan at a house which I think was the local vicarage. I remember a trip to Red Wharf Bay "so that my aunties and Mum could see the murder cottage!"
They got stuck in the mud and lost their sandals to which my father said served them right. This became a family story and I wondered what the actual facts were. Now I know - so many thanks.
Does anyone know more about the "vicarage" - it overlooked the Menai Straits above the Beaumaris - Menai road. It had a "well" which my aunties were terrified I would find and fall down!
We often visit the area now and I think I can identify the vicarage but would like to know more.
Can you help please?
Could the 'vicarage' have been Madog Villa?
Living there In 1901, were John M Richards 44, Clerk in Holy Orders, born Llangelen, Carmarthenshire, wife Elizabeth 36, born Llandegai, and children David M. 9, John M. 7, both born Llanerchymedd, James D.M. 5, born Menai Bridge and Herbert R.M. 7 months, born Llandegfan. Their domestic servant was Kitty Thomas, 15, born Llandegfan. KD.
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Linda John
September 2009
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I write on behalf of an Aunt who lives on Anglesey in the area of Newborough. She set me a question today and I 'found' your blog so I hope you don't mind me picking your brains. Mrs. Davies vaguely remembers that it used to be possible to cross the Straits over the sandbanks, but she can't remember where. Do you have any information about this please. She is a historian of the village of Newborough herself so we may make a contribution to your site in the future.
She'd love, through me, to put something on your site probably about the marram grass 'industry' in Newborough.
Can you help please?
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Rosemary Gardiner
September 2009 |
I am trying without much luck to trace my grandfather (John Hobson) Captain and owner of two ships - Village Maid & Emma (or Emily ).He traded out of Holyhead in the late 1800s to early 1900s and we know for certain that he was in dock at Holyhead in March 1905 to register the birth of my Mother (Emily Rose Hobson ).Possibly born at sea ??? I have found that a ship named Village Maid was wrecked on the Dutchman rocks and 4 crew rescued but no names are given in the lifeboat web site.My sister dimly recalls that she was told that he HAD been shipwrecked but no details are known as to when and where.
When John Hobson put into Holyhead on the 27th March 1904 he stayed at 1 George St to register the birth of my mother (Rosa Gladys Hobson ).She died in Devon,age 62 in 1966.My Grandmother was named Emily Rose(formerly JOY ),She was born around 1873 and I KNOW she died in Devon aged 89 in 1962.
We have only recently started to hunt for past history so I am really only a learner.I have been using the Library at home However,in the meantime we have been trying to find John Hobson everywhere we can think of and have made arrangements to go to London in October to visit the Marine Museum at Greenwich.
Any help you can give me with this search really would be appreciated.I KNOW he existed but can find no details anywhere of his birth,death or marriage.Likewise his Captaincy etc etc.
Earlier in the year I visited 1 George St and the owner (a former Lifeboatman himself) recalls some paperwork he had years ago that actually listed John Hobson in the house.
Your assistance in finding my Grandfather is greatly appreciated,very sincerely,Rosemary.
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Sue Jenkins
May 2009
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My grandmother was Jane Ellen Thomas (neeMcNeil), known as Jinny, and was born July 18th 1879 in Aberdaron. She married Dr. John Meredith Thomas on July 16th 1902 at Deunant Chapel in Aberdaron. They had 3 children - Margaret, Mona and John (known as Jack) and the family lived at Menai Bridge. My grandmother left the family between 1915 and 1920 under mysterious circumstances and as my grandfather disowned all 3 children around 1933 we do not know the date she died or where she is buried.
I've recently discovered she died around 1927 but she is not buried with my grandfather who died 1940. My grandparents did not divorce. Can anyone throw some light in this direction?
Can you help please?
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Ian Morris
March 2009 |
We have a family tale that in the 1800s possibly mid 1800s, my ancestor James Morris claimed an estate around Llanrwst. He lived and collected rent there till the estate was put in trust for 100years. He returned to Chester. The story goes he claimed it on a female side as no other heirs were around, possibly through his first wife Mary Minshull.
I was just intrested to know if anyone had any records mentioning it.
Can you help please?
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Mrs Walton
March 2009
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I am tracing my family tree and have found a link to Richard Roberts whom saved his families lives at the Dolgarrog disaster 1925. I cannot find any further information about this particular act of heroism. If you can throw any light on this I would be most grateful.
DETAILS OF THE DAM DISASTER APPEAR IN THE CONWAY VALLEY CONNECTIONS LINK.
Can you help please?
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Trevor Edwards
February 2009
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When researching my Cwmystwyth ancestry, I was saddened upon discovering in the Cardiganshire Family History Society's Index to Burials and Eglwys Newydd 1838 - 1865, that four young nieces and nephews of my great grandparents Richard and Margaret Edwards (nee Howells), of Tynyffordd, had died at Caermeirch farm in May and June of 1856.
Many other children had also died in 1856. I discovered that many of these poor children died of a Scarlet Fever epidemic in and around the upper Ystwyth valley and which peaked between May and June 1856. However, although I have searched many internet sites which cover the history of Eglwys Newydd, and other local sources, I have been unable to find any reference to the tragedy which unfolded there.
Please see link to Cwmystwyth Mining Community for more information and a list of the poor children who died.
Can you help please?
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Amanda Gough
February 2009
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Amanda would like to contact the family of Charles Wilson Jones, born 1914, and played for Wrexham, Birmingham and Nottingham Forest. During the Second World War, he guested for many clubs, including Blackpool, Manchester City and West Bromwich Albion.
Charles also played for Wales on two occasions, scoring on his debut against Ireland in a 3-1 victory, and against France
Amanda can be contacted on;
goughamanda29@yahoo.com
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Phil Davies
January 2009
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I am currently researching the footballing career of William Davies my Great Uncle. William was known as Willie or sometimes Billie. He had a good career and was in the Cardiff side which lost to Sheffield Utd in the 1925 FA Cup Final. I was thrilled to find pictures of him in your 'George Harold Beadles' section. Willie was born in 1900 but I have been unable to track him down on the 1901 census. If anyone can help me with this or if anyone has any pictures of him I would love to hear from them. Congratulations on an excellent website.
Can you help please?
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Jane Watts
January 2009
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My grandmother Alice Hughes was born in 1889/1890 in Cwmystwyth.
Having looked at the 1891 census her father was Thomas Hughes and he was a lead miner, as was her grandfather Thomas Williams.
They lived at The Mill, Pencnwych, Llanfihangel Y Croyddyn Upper.
Her mother was Sophia Hughes and in 1891 there were 4 daughters including my grandmother, Sophia Ellen, Margaret, Miriam and my grandmother Alice.
Having looked at your lovely website I see Thomas and Sophia are listed and a daughter Mary Hughes who is not mentioned in the 1891 census.
Does anyone have any other information about my family at all?
Can you help please?
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Michael Owen
January 2009
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Have you any information about Tyn Coed, Llangoed?
I am interested in the history of Tyn Coed and its past occupants. Tyn Coed is situated on the coastal path near Caim. It has a lime stone quarry to its rear and a lime kiln a short distance away. The old farm buildings between it and the lime kiln are very interesting and believed to be from 14th/15th century. I would be please to receive any information about Tyn Coed including old photographs.
Can you help please?
KD - Hugh Hughes, who died in 1828 aged 74, lived at Tyn Coed. He is buried in Penmon with his wife Elinor, died 1829 aged 77. John Rowland, their grandson of Bryn Mawr, is buried with them He died in 1889, aged 83
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Michael Ball
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December 2008 |
I noticed, with interest, your website with connections to Mary Tavy. I also have links with the village because Thomas Ball (1807 - 1878) was a Captain with the several of the lead mining companies. Also, one of his sons, Josiah Richards Ball, spent time in Spain learning about the mining industry.
I would be interested is knowing if you have come across the "Ball" name, or how to find additional information about the lead mining industry.
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Miriam
October 2008
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I have just spent a couple of hours going around your very interesting and informative site.
My grandfather David Richard Williams family were from Anglesey [farmers] they moved to Liverpool after my great great grandfather was burnt to death in a barn fire. My great grandfather opened a tailors shop in Liverpool City centre.
My grandfather married my grandmother Elisabeth Selina Jones. Her family where from Bangor, though living in Liverpool at the time. Both my great grandparents were Welsh speaking.
My Grandfather met and married my grandmother in Liverpool. His family settled around the Newsham Park area of Liverpool after the barn fire in Anglesey.
The reason I do not have much information is my grandfather was killed when he was installing the overhead lights on the East Lancashire road. Because of this we lost all contact with my Grandfathers family.
His sister Dorothy [I think] married a Hughes and lived in Newsham Park itself. I don't know what happened to his brother Thomas.
I don't have dates and this is what is causing the problem for me.My Grandfather must have died around about the twenties.
I was wondering if perhaps there would have been an article in the local newspaper .He must have been one off the first electricians. He was about thirty something when he died.
All our elders are dead now, except my auntie Eve, she is 88 but she only remembers a little. She was 10 years old when her father died. What I do know is the Williams were very creative people,wonderful artists,writers of poetry.And very religious.I was wondering if Thomas had joined the Church. My auntie does not remember him being married or having children. They were also very tall and gangly with wonderful sense of humour.
I really want to start my family tree. However, I don't know where to start.
Can you help please?
NB, I have advised Miriam of the basics for beginners, but can you help by identifying either David Richard Williams or Elisabeth Selina Jones?
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Martin
Davies
August
2008
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Hello, I was really pleased to find this site.I used to go to Llanrwst for my holidays every year back in the 70's and watched Llanrwst Town often. I recall they played in red and white stripes then or am did I dream this ? I was also wondering how well the team did in the late 70's when I watched them.
Can you help please?
The Welsh Football Data Archive has the answer - please click here. The WFDA has a wealth of Welsh football history and is well worth a visit.
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Current
owners
August
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The current owners of Pen Y Fron Bach, would love to know something of its history and the people who have lived there. However, census returns show more than one Pen Y Fron in the area.
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Keith
Spiller
August
2008
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I have in my possession a photo of Newtown Albion in 1913-14 as attached.Ihave searched the web but only come up with your team as named Newtown not Newtown Albion.Was the team once called Albion?
I presently live in Canada but my family comes from Bristol. I am not sure how this photo came into my families possession but believe it was passed down to me through my Mother or Fathers effects on their death.Can you shed any light on this team?
Can you help please?
Thanks for this. I have found 2 Newtown Albions. One was 'our' Newtown Albion which beat Caersws 6-1 in the Welsh Cup in 1921-22 and then lost 2-1 to Llanidloes.
The other is a Newtown Albion which existed in 1892/93 but were playing in Cambridgeshire. From the evidence available in the photo, it is our opinion (just an opinion mind) that the photo does not relate to Newtown, Powys.
Newtown Albion would have been one of a group of local clubs here, and it's unlikely therefore, that so many of those appearing in the photo were not in a kit. Additionally, Edgar Williams, former Newtown F.C. Captain, did not recognise any of the players or others. Some would have been known to him through other photos he has seen.
It seems that therefore the team is from Cambridgeshire.
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Rose
Lewis
August
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You mention the Staples family in the Beuamaris Chronology (1820'). I would love to find out more about them and dearly wish I had a photograph of any of them.
Carey Alfred Staples married Rosalina Williams (my great great grandparents). She was the daughter of Owen Williams (born Penmon 1821). I don't have an address of where they lived but have been told it was believed to be a farmhouse which got destroyed by a fire at sometime.
Can you help please?
John Williams has responded to this request. Please see the TAN Y FRON and OTHER BEAUMARIS FAMILIES (Staples)links for further information.
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John Pritchard
June 2008
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Ken,
I am the greatgrandson of William Pritchard Pilot at Penmon and Coxwain of the lifeboat. I have never seen a photograph of William until I saw the one on your excellent webpages.Any chance of a copy for my family records.William and his family were buried at the Priory.
Can you help please?
Hi John, Sorry I have no e-mail address for you, to respond. Please contact me at mail@penmon.org
Thanks - Ken Davies
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Bill
Gadd
June 2008
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Bill has come across a couple of cartoons drawn by a Charles Roberts of Penmon, in 1924.
Can anyone help identify the Charles Roberts concerned please? Could he be related to my Cae Merddyn Roberts? Thanks Bill for fowarding these.
1 "I'll surprise Maggie by spending a nice quiet evening at home"
2."How many times have I told you not to come to the parlour, get out of that chair, stop smoking"
3. "Get up stairs and put on your coat. What do you mean by going about in your socks"
4. "What's the time."
Can you help please?
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Clive
Hughes
June 2008
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I am trying to find information on my grandads brother.
Thomas Lewis Hughes was a Grocer at No.3 Castle Street Beaumaris, on the 1901 Census. He was married to Annie Jane Hughes.
I would like to find out their deaths and if they had any family.
Can you help please?
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Diana
Hodges
June 2008
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I am looking for a John Williams who had land in or near Llanfair P.G./ Menai Bridge, who had sons, one of whom was called John David Williams and was a Methodist minister (born c. 1795). There may be connections to Llandegfan or Penmon, so I hope you don't mind me making use of your web-site.There are so many John Williams that it makes tracing one of them somewhat difficult!
Can you help please?
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Sarah Roberts
June 2008
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Does anyone know anything about George Fingland's (my grandfather) second wife? Margaret M.1872-1955.Buried in Penmon with Mary Jones1865-1940, & Ceri & Bessie,who lived in Caernarfon?
Can you help please?
Reply received from John Williams.
I think I can help Sarah Roberts with her questions about the second wife of George Fingland, as well as Mary, Ceri and Bessie Jones. The George Fingland story is closely linked with Tan y Fron. When he arrived in Penmon from Scotland as a young man to work at the quarry he lodged at Tan y Fron.
His second wife, Margaret M 1872 - 1955, was the daughter of Owen and Elizabeth Roberts. Owen was a Black Point pilot and lifeboatman. His wife Elizabeth was a Williams from Tan y Fron.
Mary J Jones 1865 - 1940 was a sister of Margaret M Fingland. She became the second wife of John Jones, a slate enameller.
John Jones was first married to Mary A (nee Williams) who was from Tan y Fron. She died in 1903 when her daughter Ceri 1902 - 1989 was a baby. Bessie 1906 - 1979 must have been the daughter of John and Mary J Jones.
Neither Ceri or Bessie married, and they lived together at a house called Gorddinog in Caernarvon, which I guess had been John Jones' house. In 1901 John Jones had been living in Bangor with his parents Edward and Jane Jones. His mother Jane was also a Williams from Penmon, from a gamekeeping and pilot family. As a child I used to visit Ceri and Bessie Jones in Caernarvon. Bessie was a lovely old lady and very kind to me. Somewhere I have a photo of Ceri and Bessie Jones.
Perhaps it is also interesting to mention that in 1901 before they were married Margaret M Fingland and Mary J Jones were living with their bachelor brother Owen in the Prison House in Caernarvon. He was the Principal Warder.
I hope this will answer Sarah Roberts' questions, but I am happy to provide more detail if she would like.
In return I am hoping that she can confirm that her grandmother Sarah Ann, the first wife of George Fingland, was the daughter of William and Elizabeth Williams of China House in Llangoed. If so, that is yet another connection with Tan y Fron, as William Williams' father was Rowland Williams of Minffordd, Llangoed, who was a brother of the Elizabeth Williams that married Owen Roberts, mentioned above. Assuming I am right in this assumption, both of his wives were related to Tan y Fron, where he had lodged when he first arrived in Penmon.
I hope this will be of interest. Best regards.John Williams
Could Sarah please contact me again? My e-mails to you are being returned undeliverable - thanks Ken Davies
Can you help John with his enquiry?
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Mel Erskine-
Richmond
May 2008
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I've been trying to find out about Charles Dickens
at Beaumaris. Apparently he is known to have stayed there -- they believe he may have stayed at a pub
in Beaumaris itself, the Old Bull Inn Castle Street in 1859.
He died in 1870, so it is very likely that he may have returned in other years and found accommodations at Penmon's cottages at Tros Yr Afon.
Perhaps there is more at the local history groups there.
I am also interested in the history of Tros yr Afon, Beaumaris.
Can you help please?
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Jane Ellis
Canada
April 2008
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My great X 4 grandfather was a man named William Williams (1751-1828). He had an interesting sounding career as the "Controller of Anglesey". Essentially, he was the Customs and Excise agent for HM King George III. He left a fair amount of property. His son was the Rev. Robert Williams for St. Mary's and St. Nicholas, (1779-1826). His three younger, lifelong spinster sisters, Anne Jane, Margaret and Susannah-Elizabeth Williams, had a number of properties left to them.
One was in the centre of Beaumaris, between 33-38 Wexham Street, I believe. These three sisters also had properties referred to as being tenement farms in Llandonna, but which I think fell within the village of Penmon . The names of these were: Ty Mawr (Big House?), and Ty Newydd (New House?) respectively.
I note in your Census transcriptions that you have a Ty Newydd (with a series of Williams-es living there) and a Bryn Mawr. Could these be one and the same? If so, I'd be interested if anyone could tell me the history of these properties.
Further, my great-great grandfather, the Rev. Wm Lloyd Williams, b. Beaumaris 1808, died Llanberis 1873), had a brother named Robert Williams, who evidently sold him a share of his property in Llandonna referred to as "Tan y Bryn". Would you happen to know anything about it?
Likewise, the widow of my third great grandad (the Rev. Robt Williams), whose name was Anne Elizabeth (nie Allen), 1781-1854, lived out her last two decades as a widow on a 50-acre portion of farmland in Llandegfan, referred to in the 1851 Census as "Pen-y-Park". Is there any chance
that this is the same as the Pen Park or Penmon Park that is refer to in this website? I'd be interested to know.
Can you help please?
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I.J. Platts
April 2008
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As a child I holidayed in Anglesey and I recall a murder in Red Wharf Bay in the late 40s. Can you shed any light on this?
Can you help please?
Reply received from Ian Garland; I remember my father talking about this, as Red Wharf Bay was a favourite place of his. Anyway, I did a bit of research and found that there was indeed a killing there in a cottage in 1945. A man from Ashton under Lyne called Albert Arthur Nettleton killed his wife Ivy. He must have buried her in the sands and the tides uncovered the body. She was found on 29 October 1945 and he was charged on 1 November 1945. The trial took place in early 1946 and heard that he'd hit her with an iron. (By the sounds of things, she was a bit neutrotic/mental). The charge was reduced to manslaughter and he got five years, later reduced to three. I can always remember my Dad telling me that the tides shifted the sands and uncovered the body.
George Dawson writes; I came up with this site when I Googled "murder Red Wharf Bay."
I had a holiday in 1947 when I was 3, staying in Llandegfan at a house which I think was the local vicarage. I remember a trip to Red Wharf Bay "so that my aunties and Mum could see the murder cottage!"
They got stuck in the mud and lost their sandals to which my father said served them right. This became a family story and I wondered what the actual facts were. Now I know - so many thanks.
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Eric Roberts
April 2008
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Cae Merddyn, where my family lived on Penmon, was a property within the Bulkeley estate and rented from the Bulkeley family estate.
I remember my father saying that his father Charles Goodman Roberts, was a gardener at the Bulkeley mansion, Baron Hill. Parallel to the main road from Menai Bridge to Penmon, there was a high stone wall behind which Charles had planted Poplar Tree shrubs. I wonder if they are still there?
Can you help please?
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Edith Owen
April 2008
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I was wondering if you could help me. I have been told by family members that our family tree can be traced back to Prince Llywelyn. My mother's maiden name was Williams, her father's name was Richard David d.o.b. 1877 he was the youngest of 12 children. His parents were David born 1825 in Llantwit Major and Frances Price born 1832 in Llanmaes Llantwit Major. David's parents John born 1799 in Lanblethian Glamorgan and Sina Jones born 1805 in Ystradowen Glamorgan. John's parents were called Thomas and Eleanor but I don't have any dates for them.
I have seen the Llywelyn tree on your site and thought you might be able to help.
Can you help please?
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Neale
Lawson
April 2008
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I have been very interested in your web site.
There is a plaque in a wall of a church in Anglesea, Parish of Westmoreland, Jamaica to a Rowland Williams of Penmon which is undated but could be c 1700. There seems to be too much of a coincidence that this Rowland or his forebears might have gone to Jamaica from Penmon. Do you know if there is anyone with a Williams from Penmon Genealogy as I would like to have got in touch?
The letter regarding the Rowland Williams (see PENMON NOSTALGIA - A letter from 1890) and the church I believe is a little muddled as the Williams of Anglesea who owned the plantation when the slaves got their freedom was one Joseph Stone Williams and he left the estate to my 3xgt grandfather Theodore who was vicar of Hendon. Theodore and Joseph were brothers and a Rowland William's gt gt grandsons.
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